Time to start doing Business Steve..!!

[mart.denman]

Yep this is bordering on incompetence now..!!

Whatever deal we do now - we’ll be paying a premium for..!!

I said right at the top - we’ve won the FA Cup and qualified for Europe - let’s build on the momentum and do our business early..!!

No - normal modus operandi ensues - we procrastinate and procrastinate - now we’re in a real mess again and a race against time again..!!

Honestly you couldn’t make it up - same season after season, window after window - when is SP ever going to learn..!!

Before anyone says the whole Europa / Conference thing was a sideshow and a nonsense - we were never winning that argument..!!

Well said old chap

 

[Plaistow Eagle]

Thank you Mr Hindsight. Do you know what the content of the emails were and did you know that different advice was provided to privileged members of the ECA whom we are not members of. Do you know whether we were told by UEFA that we were considered to be a team in multi club ownership and would therefore be required to comply with their new date before entering any competition with a European prize?

I’m guessing you don’t know the answers to these questions and Parish’s legal team were fuming because CAS refused access to or to reveal documents and emails that could have benefited our case.

I cannot believe that as a Palace fan you think we should have just gone, “oh yeah, your right let’s just give up our place in the Europa League” as you suggest above.

I fully support Parish in challenging this to the fullest extent but this does not mean that I excuse him from not getting players through the door. They are two entirely different things and the vital players we require (a forward and a CH) would be required regardless of which tournament we were likely to be in.

I also don’t know how you associate the loss of Freedman and a replacement (if that is actually the plan), with our appeal to CAS. Do you not think this was capable of being dealt with at the same time?

I get the emotion of appealing the decision - but we were never winning the argument - UEFA is corrupt everyone knows it - the moment Lyon got their relegation overturned we were cooked..!!

Yes it’s unjust and unfair - yes it’s against the spirit of competition - everyone can see we’ve been “shafted” - but they don’t care..!!

They were never going to allow for the decision to be overturned and look culpable - it’s that simple..!!

But we are in Europe for the first time and that should have been/be our focus..!!

You are absolutely right the two things are entirely different issues and the whole Europe thing should not have stopped/stop us in getting our Business done..!!

It’s just so Palace - elation of winning 2 major trophies - immediately cut short by inept strategy and transfer dealings..!!

As I said before it’s like bloody “Groundhog Day” and this season of all seasons it should not be that way..!!

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

That is because people like yourself don't like the truth you prefer to keep living in your fantasy land.

The other poster was spreading misinformation and even posted up links to try argue those links data even showed I was correct when I stated "around 20m" if you win which is true.

Not my fault people here are so sensitive and rose tinted specs.

If some proves me wrong one a subject I will own up to it but they haven't.

Anyway back to the subject this thread is suppose to be about.

No, you were wrong, and abusive, and offensive, like many times, that is why you got a yellow card

 

[grumpymort]

No, you were wrong, and abusive, and offensive, like many times, that is why you got a yellow card

Pls just go away and seek help.

I stated what your own links showed around 20m difference for winners that is what it shows you just don't wont to own up to it you was incorrect it is very clear fro everyone to see.

Yes I was rude I shouldn't have called you that name but your posts are showing maybe it was correct.

Yellow card meaningless and this place is very selective with who it gives them to I would guess you ran off crying which is why I got it.

 

[Palacesince64]

I get the emotion of appealing the decision - but we were never winning the argument - UEFA is corrupt everyone knows it - the moment Lyon got their relegation overturned we were cooked..!!

Yes it’s unjust and unfair - yes it’s against the spirit of competition - everyone can see we’ve been “shafted” - but they don’t care..!!

They were never going to allow for the decision to be overturned and look culpable - it’s that simple..!!

But we are in Europe for the first time and that should have been/be our focus..!!

You are absolutely right the two things are entirely different issues and the whole Europe thing should not have stopped/stop us in getting our Business done..!!

It’s just so Palace - elation of winning 2 major trophies - immediately cut short by inept strategy and transfer dealings..!!

As I said before it’s like bloody “Groundhog Day” and this season of all seasons it should not be that way..!!

It’s pure speculation to suggest our lack of transfer dealings has anything to do with the Europa/Conference fiasco. The notion that we would buy bigger for the Europa is fanciful. Parish has said we are paying huge interest on loans for previous buys. We have to sell to buy anyone good enough to play in what is already a decent side. We’ve been hamstrung by the fact Liverpool and Guehi can’t decide whatever they want to do a deal now or wait a year. We also have the Eze release clause and Arses dilly dallying because they need to sell first.
If nothing happens by Friday I think we’ll tell Arseteta he’s missed the boat and probably bring in a couple of loans to bulk up the squad. Guehi will then stay til January at least.

 

[rikz]

It’s pure speculation to suggest our lack of transfer dealings has anything to do with the Europa/Conference fiasco. The notion that we would buy bigger for the Europa is fanciful. Parish has said we are paying huge interest on loans for previous buys. We have to sell to buy anyone good enough to play in what is already a decent side. We’ve been hamstrung by the fact Liverpool and Guehi can’t decide whatever they want to do a deal now or wait a year. We also have the Eze release clause and Arses dilly dallying because they need to sell first.
If nothing happens by Friday I think we’ll tell Arseteta he’s missed the boat and probably bring in a couple of loans to bulk up the squad. Guehi will then stay til January at least.

Parish wanted too much for Guehi, Liverpool called his bluff, and then 5 days before the season starts he's basically begging Liverpool to buy him.

 

[rob1861]

Parish wanted too much for Guehi, Liverpool called his bluff, and then 5 days before the season starts he's basically begging Liverpool to buy him.

Hi Rikz, do you think we could have won the community shield without Guehi's defensive capabilities? Keeping him gave us another piece of silverware to start the season which is great.

I'm pretty sure Steve is able to negotiate fairly cleverly and he kept the side together and hoped someone would bid a reasonable amount to start a bidding war.

In addition, Parish has just been given a loss of revenue by formal demotion to the Conference from the Europa League confirmed a few days ago. It means less money and it is possibly harder to access a certain level of player we may have had lined up due to the Mary Knickers theft of our position in the competition.

Parish has also advised that previous deals are maturing and we owe money for instalments on previously signed players, it's either the truth or a smoke screen for the co-owners to trouser more of the ordinary persons money but we don't know as we are not able to see what goes on behind the scenes.

One thing we can note though is Steve is not an idiot and will be doing his best to maximise the sale value of Guehi for the good of the club/owners pockets.

 

[PALACE_ENJOYER]

Hi Rikz, do you think we could have won the community shield without Guehi's defensive capabilities? Keeping him gave us another piece of silverware to start the season which is great.

I'm pretty sure Steve is able to negotiate fairly cleverly and he kept the side together and hoped someone would bid a reasonable amount to start a bidding war.

In addition, Parish has just been given a loss of revenue by formal demotion to the Conference from the Europa League confirmed a few days ago. It means less money and it is possibly harder to access a certain level of player we may have had lined up due to the Mary Knickers theft of our position in the competition.

Parish has also advised that previous deals are maturing and we owe money for instalments on previously signed players, it's either the truth or a smoke screen for the co-owners to trouser more of the ordinary persons money but we don't know as we are not able to see what goes on behind the scenes.

One thing we can note though is Steve is not an idiot and will be doing his best to maximise the sale value of Guehi for the good of the club/owners pockets.

Mate parish is not beyond criticism, a lot of what you have said above sounds like excuses being 100% honest

 

[NEILLO]

Parish wanted too much for Guehi, Liverpool called his bluff, and then 5 days before the season starts he's basically begging Liverpool to buy him.

When a player has just a year left on their contract, the buying club holds the cards.
Whatever we get from Liverpool, should Guehi go, is more than we get if he stays then walks away for nothing next year.

The alternative is that Guehi signs a new contract on improved terms, inserts a release clause and still gets his move similar to Olise.

Given that the player is only interested in joining Liverpool doesn’t help either.

You seem intent on blaming Parish / the club for anything that doesn’t work to your satisfaction. Perhaps open your mind to the possibility that Palace can’t always control events as we would all like

 

[NEILLO]

Mate parish is not beyond criticism, a lot of what you have said above sounds like excuses being 100% honest

Nobody has ever said that he is.

And when people try to make sense of the current situation all we get from you is that it’s “ excuses “.

 

[eaglesdare]

When a player has just a year left on their contract, the buying club holds the cards.
Whatever we get from Liverpool, should Guehi go, is more than we get if he stays then walks away for nothing next year.

The alternative is that Guehi signs a new contract on improved terms, inserts a release clause and still gets his move similar to Olise.

Given that the player is only interested in joining Liverpool doesn’t help either.

You seem intent on blaming Parish / the club for anything that doesn’t work to your satisfaction. Perhaps open your mind to the possibility that Palace can’t always control events as we would all like

Would it be worth keeping Marc for the sake of 30 million if we won another trophy this season and finished higher up the league table?

 

[rob1861]

Mate parish is not beyond criticism, a lot of what you have said above sounds like excuses being 100% honest

The level of moving parts that the hierarchy at the club are dealing with will be way beyond what we conceive as fans. I don't think it's excuses, just trying to look at the bigger picture but each to their own.

 

[NEILLO]

Would it be worth keeping Marc for the sake of 30 million if we won another trophy this season and finished higher up the league table?

Good question.

Keeping him without a new deal will cost but removes the risk of identifying and integrating his replacement. That could work out just fine or not.

But Parish has stated that the club can’t let him walk away for nothing next year - ultimately that’s the deciding factor I think

 

[rikz]

When a player has just a year left on their contract, the buying club holds the cards.
Whatever we get from Liverpool, should Guehi go, is more than we get if he stays then walks away for nothing next year.

The alternative is that Guehi signs a new contract on improved terms, inserts a release clause and still gets his move similar to Olise.

Given that the player is only interested in joining Liverpool doesn’t help either.

You seem intent on blaming Parish / the club for anything that doesn’t work to your satisfaction. Perhaps open your mind to the possibility that Palace can’t always control events as we would all like

I know he cant control everything which is why it seems strange to value him at 40 mill. It was widely reported that Liverpool wouldn't pay that much.

 

[Palace in the Blood]

It’s pure speculation to suggest our lack of transfer dealings has anything to do with the Europa/Conference fiasco. The notion that we would buy bigger for the Europa is fanciful. Parish has said we are paying huge interest on loans for previous buys. We have to sell to buy anyone good enough to play in what is already a decent side. We’ve been hamstrung by the fact Liverpool and Guehi can’t decide whatever they want to do a deal now or wait a year. We also have the Eze release clause and Arses dilly dallying because they need to sell first.
If nothing happens by Friday I think we’ll tell Arseteta he’s missed the boat and probably bring in a couple of loans to bulk up the squad. Guehi will then stay til January at least.

I have no doubt the fiasco has had an effect on our transfer dealings ( or lack of them). Firstly the income from conference is much lower than europa and this effects both what money we have and restricts salary total we can pay due to eufa restrictions. Secondly I think we can assume that until share sale had taken place , we could not really finalise our transfer pot. Thirdly it is fair to assume Textor had loans with club, have they been repaid by club or new / existing directors. Finally we will have installments to pay on existing players so Parish may be playing cards close to his chest but is not lying. My guess is we have a transfer budget of 50-60 million plus sales. I think Glasner would like both Guehi and Eze to stay, the former doesn't seem inclined to sign an extention and wants to remain first choice (for England reasons). I think we should go out and buy his replacement now , this has two effects it can be a planned buy not panic. Secondly it may put pressure on Guehi to either move or sign an extension to remain first choice.
My view is Eze will not push for a move and I think he will still be here .
The short term loss of reserve striker is a real problem as a purchased replacement will be expensive or Edouard will have to start performing.

 

[PALACE_ENJOYER]

The level of moving parts that the hierarchy at the club are dealing with will be way beyond what we conceive as fans. I don't think it's excuses, just trying to look at the bigger picture but each to their own.

fair enough 👍

 

[PALACE_ENJOYER]

Nobody has ever said that he is.

And when people try to make sense of the current situation all we get from you is that it’s “ excuses “.

I’ve said that’s it’s fair to try to make sense of the situation. Equally this summer has just highlighted that there has to be a massive problem with the club ability to raise funds for players as we are no where near FFP

 

[grumpymort]

I have no doubt the fiasco has had an effect on our transfer dealings ( or lack of them). Firstly the income from conference is much lower than europa and this effects both what money we have and restricts salary total we can pay due to eufa restrictions. Secondly I think we can assume that until share sale had taken place , we could not really finalise our transfer pot. Thirdly it is fair to assume Textor had loans with club, have they been repaid by club or new / existing directors. Finally we will have installments to pay on existing players so Parish may be playing cards close to his chest but is not lying. My guess is we have a transfer budget of 50-60 million plus sales. I think Glasner would like both Guehi and Eze to stay, the former doesn't seem inclined to sign an extention and wants to remain first choice (for England reasons). I think we should go out and buy his replacement now , this has two effects it can be a planned buy not panic. Secondly it may put pressure on Guehi to either move or sign an extension to remain first choice.
My view is Eze will not push for a move and I think he will still be here .
The short term loss of reserve striker is a real problem as a purchased replacement will be expensive or Edouard will have to start performing.

People need to stop repeating this excuse.

Future earnings if you win only so they are not relevant.

SP himself came out with before hand that they had list of targets already and plan out way in advance even back to when DF was still at the club.

Look at history we wait until towards the end that is how we operate.

Guehi has to go we can allow him to stay even if we only get 20-30m that would go towards replacement compared to 0 (He is one man it's about the team/club and he has shown no interest in renewing)

Eze appears happy at Palace and unless official bids come in for him I can't see an issue.

Edouard is done at this club has to go it's tough to find a place take him and the ones rumored to want him he has no interest to go to so may end up another player who sits around doing nothing leaves only when contract expires end of this season.

DF has still not been replaced what is going on with that?

 

[rikz]

Us and Liverpool could quite easily agree a deal over the next 48 hours. We then start the season away at Chelsea with Lerma in defence and a 34 year old RB as cover. Its unacceptable and indefensible.

 

[Den1923]

Thank you Mr Hindsight. Do you know what the content of the emails were and did you know that different advice was provided to privileged members of the ECA whom we are not members of. Do you know whether we were told by UEFA that we were considered to be a team in multi club ownership and would therefore be required to comply with their new date before entering any competition with a European prize?

I’m guessing you don’t know the answers to these questions and Parish’s legal team were fuming because CAS refused access to or to reveal documents and emails that could have benefited our case.

I cannot believe that as a Palace fan you think we should have just gone, “oh yeah, your right let’s just give up our place in the Europa League” as you suggest above.

I fully support Parish in challenging this to the fullest extent but this does not mean that I excuse him from not getting players through the door. They are two entirely different things and the vital players we require (a forward and a CH) would be required regardless of which tournament we were likely to be in.

I also don’t know how you associate the loss of Freedman and a replacement (if that is actually the plan), with our appeal to CAS. Do you not think this was capable of being dealt with at the same time?

Dear Eglecoops,
Thank you for your kind words, hindsight has nothing to do with this matter it is called common-sense. The facts are simple:-

1. At least two emails were sent to the registered email address informing the club of the changes to multi club ownership article 5.01 by UEFA. The club did not action them or even read them according to what Parish has stated and reported in the press. Sadly and naively the reason Parish gave for not responding to them because the emails were not sent to him directly and as at the date of the emails, we were unlikely to be evolved in Europe for this coming season.

The clubs contact email address for the club is published as being the email address info@cpfc.co.uk This is published on club contact information registered with UEFA and is the reason why the emails were sent to that address well before the 01.03.25 deadline. Someone at the club (unknown) decided they were not important and did not require any action (mistake). Meanwhile Notting Forrest did read the communications and acted on them. They requested an extension and were granted one giving them enough time to take the necessary action to comply.

2. Yes, I do think they should have accepted that UEFA were correct as its was clear with a 43% stake and 25% voting rights John Textor was in a multi club ownership with Lyon, to believe otherwise is letting you heart rule your head. Therefore the rules were applied correctly as of the 1st March 2025. Had Parish taken action on the emails he could have also asked for an extension in order to sort matters out but alas he did not and as a consequence UEFA decided according to their rules we were in multi club ownership and that as Lyon were better positioned in the French elite league, we were relegated to the conference UEFA competition. Parish only began to realise that he was in trouble viz the Europa league place after we won the FA-Cup, by which time it was too late.

Sadly, Parish having realised that the club admin error was going to be a very expensive error for the club he then decided to appeal directly to UEFA, this was refused in accordance to the rules that were now in place, because we did not comply with article 5.01. Then presumably after consulting the clubs lawyers he decided to go to CAS, who again ruled on the facts being that we were not in compliant with article 5.01 and that UEFA had applied the rules correctly. You comments relating to club lawyers is noted, clearly as Lawyers always do they encourage litigation even when the chances of winning are at best 50/50 as that is their business. The only surety in litigation that is waited in favour of lawyers is that they get their fees win or lose.

3. The loss of Freeman of course has nothing to do with the process but what has happened is Parish has focused on this one issue at the expense of sorting out what is going to happen to Eze, Guehi and maybe Wharton, ignoring the request for new players thus upsetting Oliver who wants a stronger squad to take the club to the next level. He has also not found a replacement for Freedman to drive our transfer business and plan for the squad succession (he had plenty of notice about Freeman leaving). Everything seems to have been placed in abeyance whilst Parish pursues unachievable dreams. It's the club I care about, not Parish and I'm afraid as good as Parish may have been in the past, I do not see him as one to take us to even greater horizons in the future. We are now faced with just a few days left in this window and the quality of players available is dwindling by the day.

Kindest regards