Tommy Robinson

[Phil’s Barber]

Evidence won’t be released. He knows that and is, as usual, just stirring the pot.

If the evidence shows he is innocent then it would be seen by his Solicitor as well as the Police. No charges would be brought against him but if the evidence shows attempted fraud then those involved in it will be pursued.

At the moment he is just being interviewed to help establish the facts. He was arrested as he left the scene and went abroad, creating suspicion.

Conclusion. He has nothing to fear if he did nothing. Just cooperate, tell the truth and all will be fine.

What the hell are you talking about?…’attempted fraud’ ?!?

He also was NOT arrested because he left the scene and went abroad. He was arrested because of his suspected involvement in the commission of a criminal offence and the PACE Code G (2012) condition given to the custody officer was ‘To allow the prompt and effective investigation of the offence or of the conduct of the person in question’.

It had absolutely nothing to do with him leaving the scene or going abroad. Those are not grounds for arrest.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

On here, clearly not read enough 😂

Lol…fair point but I am fairly selective about which threads in the News & Politics sub-forum I read (not that many) and I also don’t count any of Wissie’s posts because he is beyond help.

Furthermore the majority of posts on HoL are opinion based whereas Steeley’s was factually inaccurate in almost every respect.

 

[Spindle]

FFS the bloke has a long list of criminal behaviour - common assault, drug offences, mortgage fraud, stalking and most recently contempt of court (for which he pleaded guilty BTW). Maybe he is forever in court because he breaks the law.

This recent incident may be self defence, who knows, but he clearly has to be questioned.

You're both right

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I can’t remember how many decades ago this happened but I recall Channel Four pulling a programme that was about grooming gangs. Not sure why but it appears to have taken twenty years for a national enquiry. That’s potentially a huge amount of young girls who suffered whilst the authorities kicked this subject down the road. A lot of people knew about this and let it continue.

Why was it pulled? Because of pressure from government, which is what the right would want everyone to believe. Or because it wasn’t thought important, or certain, enough at the time?

I don’t know but being wise after any event is easy. What is obvious is that whilst some people were aware of problems in some localities there wasn’t the kind of nationwide approach there is now. Decisions taken centrally were to allow local government to handle this themselves in ways they felt to be appropriate in their area. This often seems to have resulted in a softly softly approach, which in turn was hampered by pressure on resources and competing demands. The scale wasn’t understood at a national level, but is now.

All the time Yaxley-Lennon was stirring the pot and trying to make political points. If it had been anyone who had the respect of those in government it might have been taken more seriously but he is, rightly, regarded as a trouble maker with a long list of convictions and reputation for wasting police time. He did the cause of the victims nothing but harm.

 

[Spindle]

Why he was bailed?

He was on early release so on probation.

He broke the rules by getting into an altercations, however it ended.

He caused actual bodily harm -whether in self defence or not.

He left a man possibly dying from his actions.

He fled the scene of a crime.

And he’s out in bail???? yeah, a bit of two tier policing right there, Mr Farage, and to your benefit entirely!

😎

Unsmart trolling from the nazi

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Hard right ! If we are hard right your clearly a commie

Those on the hard right always think they aren’t, but are representative of the majority.

I oppose any form of extremism. Right or left. So not a “commie”.

 

[Common Sense Club]

Why was it pulled? Because of pressure from government, which is what the right would want everyone to believe. Or because it wasn’t thought important, or certain, enough at the time?

I don’t know but being wise after any event is easy. What is obvious is that whilst some people were aware of problems in some localities there wasn’t the kind of nationwide approach there is now. Decisions taken centrally were to allow local government to handle this themselves in ways they felt to be appropriate in their area. This often seems to have resulted in a softly softly approach, which in turn was hampered by pressure on resources and competing demands. The scale wasn’t understood at a national level, but is now.

All the time Yaxley-Lennon was stirring the pot and trying to make political points. If it had been anyone who had the respect of those in government it might have been taken more seriously but he is, rightly, regarded as a trouble maker with a long list of convictions and reputation for wasting police time. He did the cause of the victims nothing but harm.

So he wasn’t making stuff up…just making criminal activity known before he should have.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Why was it pulled? Because of pressure from government, which is what the right would want everyone to believe. Or because it wasn’t thought important, or certain, enough at the time?

I don’t know but being wise after any event is easy. What is obvious is that whilst some people were aware of problems in some localities there wasn’t the kind of nationwide approach there is now. Decisions taken centrally were to allow local government to handle this themselves in ways they felt to be appropriate in their area. This often seems to have resulted in a softly softly approach, which in turn was hampered by pressure on resources and competing demands. The scale wasn’t understood at a national level, but is now.

All the time Yaxley-Lennon was stirring the pot and trying to make political points. If it had been anyone who had the respect of those in government it might have been taken more seriously but he is, rightly, regarded as a trouble maker with a long list of convictions and reputation for wasting police time. He did the cause of the victims nothing but harm.

So responsibility was devolved to a local level and no one at local level thought to report back evidence of thousands of cases. Isn't that what's called plausible deniability?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There’s always been nonces but I’m not sure that it was ever on such an industrial scale as what we have experienced recently. There is also a further unsavoury aspect in that one culture was subjecting a different culture to the abuse. One culture considering young girls of a different culture to be expendable.

I doubt there are actually more today. There are just more being identified whereas in the past they got away with it. There were events in my youth, both at my church and in the scout group, that today would definitely be reported but weren’t back then.

The cultural problem needs to be faced head on and dealt with. It cannot be just ignored. It must be openly discussed and called to account. I have offered my approach many times here, only for it to be dismissed as unrealistic. Which it isn’t. It’s necessary and is the way to tackle the problem at source and not after the event. Prevention always being better than cure.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So responsibility was devolved to a local level and no one at local level thought to report back evidence of thousands of cases. Isn't that what's called plausible deniability?

I am no expert but it appears there was no joined up thinking or method of gathering the data. You cannot report on things you haven’t been asked to report on. This coinciding with a general devolution of responsibility to local authorities of local issues.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I doubt there are actually more today. There are just more being identified whereas in the past they got away with it. There were events in my youth, both at my church and in the scout group, that today would definitely be reported but weren’t back then.

The cultural problem needs to be faced head on and dealt with. It cannot be just ignored. It must be openly discussed and called to account. I have offered my approach many times here, only for it to be dismissed as unrealistic. Which it isn’t. It’s necessary and is the way to tackle the problem at source and not after the event. Prevention always being better than cure.

How does that work? Have all those traditional predators stopped or has their number been added to?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I am no expert but it appears there was no joined up thinking or method of gathering the data. You cannot report on things you haven’t been asked to report on. This coinciding with a general devolution of responsibility to local authorities of local issues.

1400 cases in Rotherham over 25 years and no one thought to report on it? OK.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So he wasn’t making stuff up…just making criminal activity known before he should have.

His motivations were regarded with huge suspicion by everyone in authority. For very good reasons. He wasn’t trusted then, and even less now. He is a rabble rousing trouble maker who spotted an opportunity to exploit the abuse of children. If he had quietly gathered evidence and presented it to the authorities, or even the media, it would have been taken seriously. The way he did it, it wasn’t. He has made a lot of money from his “campaigning”.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

1400 cases in Rotherham over 25 years and no one thought to report on it? OK.

We know that now. How many were known then and how were they being handled?

I don’t know but I would think someone in central government thought there was a problem up in Rotherham that was unique to them and best left to them to deal with.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

How does that work? Have all those traditional predators stopped or has their number been added to?

I hope that many of the “traditional” sources have much better controls in place so the opportunities are much less than they were. Thus the crime rate has decreased significantly. Whether it has within families is another question but again the involvement of schools and social services should have improved things.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I hope that many of the “traditional” sources have much better controls in place so the opportunities are much less than they were. Thus the crime rate has decreased significantly. Whether it has within families is another question but again the involvement of schools and social services should have improved things.

The involvement of schools and social services didn't improve things for the grooming gang victims.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

We know that now. How many were known then and how were they being handled?

I don’t know but I would think someone in central government thought there was a problem up in Rotherham that was unique to them and best left to them to deal with.

They didn't discover all 1400 at once did they? And yet no one passed on the information when the total got to 500? Or 1000?

 

[cryrst]

I doubt there are actually more today. There are just more being identified whereas in the past they got away with it. There were events in my youth, both at my church and in the scout group, that today would definitely be reported but weren’t back then.

The cultural problem needs to be faced head on and dealt with. It cannot be just ignored. It must be openly discussed and called to account. I have offered my approach many times here, only for it to be dismissed as unrealistic. Which it isn’t. It’s necessary and is the way to tackle the problem at source and not after the event. Prevention always being better than cure.

Oh dear! So in reality you know of historical abuse, which you claim but haven’t reported. Have you considered that even if the perpetrators are dead as likely, that some abused boys might still be mentally affected and have a whole life affected by dint of the truth not being told.
Have you never thought that closure can help even decades later. I think wissie that is very poor and doesn’t put you in a good light. Preaching to all about how righteous you are yet allowing so much pain.
A visit to the police station should be a priority to help your fellow pensioners!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The involvement of schools and social services didn't improve things for the grooming gang victims.

From the reports I have read the schools, and especially the social services, in these areas were already struggling to cope when these problems first came to light. They were under resourced for the tasks they faced and recruitment and retention a big problem. So whilst easy to criticise it’s also easy to see why there were problems.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

They didn't discover all 1400 at once did they? And yet no one passed on the information when the total got to 500? Or 1000?

Was anyone keeping a record of the numbers or just trying to handle over stretched case loads?