Israel v Hamas

[Spindle]

This an extension of no logic whatsoever.

You're struggling today 🤣

No, it's an extreme example of exactly your logic.

I don't think you understand what you're saying

 

[Spindle]

Another question unanswered...

Reliant on fundamental dishonesty.

It was answered. The Taliban weren't inside hospitals, so why hit them? Totally different scene, and I gave you another example of high civilian casualties in urban battle space.

If anyone is ignoring, it's YOU

 

[Spindle]

Israel are perfectly capable of defending their borders. Before October 7th, many more Palestinians were killed by Israel each year than the other way round.

From 2009-2022, there was an average of 4-8 Israeli deaths per year caused by Hamas - it doesn't sound like much of an existential threat to me.

I'm again going to highlight that my 'virtuous' position is the one shared by the overwhelming majority of people - recent YouGov polling suggests only 12% of people still view Israel's conduct as a reasonable response to October 7th. Your position is very much the fringe one.

I don't think anyone wants to see women and children blown to bits, but I think many are pretty indifferent about it when they are Muslim women and children.

Average 4-8 a year. And that is WITH the caution and security apparatus that Jews have to live their lives by. Look how he talks as if it's nothing.

 

[Spindle]

Sure, but obviously their perspective and desired military policy doesn't permit them to do whatever they want.

As opposed to deterring future attacks, this course of action is a sure way to guarantee another generation or two of radicalised Palestinians.

IT would be because of the likes of you, objecting to even moving them to safer places in the hunt for Hamas terrorists.

Quite why you can't see that they are perpetual targets by Hamas and kindness makes no difference is beyond me.

 

[Spindle]

I don't think Starmer will ever recognise Palestinian statehood, it is an Israel first government as we can see from the proscription as a terrorist organisation of a motley protest group, to the extent that it will go along with Israel and Netanyahu's crimes and against international law.

It's much worse in the USA where the Israel lobby rules and of course the UK is a minor player and a declining one, which is perhaps fortunate.

Macron got sustained applause for saying it must happen yesterday, but will he?

It would actually make a difference and make people think there is still something about us, but for a country to go to such lengths to avoid the truth of Israel's continuing genocide against the desperate Palestinian people it is embrrassing and painful to observe.

Personally a relief that I didn't vote or him, or them, and that includes the others.

If you support Palestinians, and the polling suggests the public do, you only have a few MPs like JC on your side.

MPs have their inflated salaries and mortgages to think about, a sad fact of life.

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How out of touch could you be in that echo chamber.

THe Palestinians have declined every single offer of a state of their own. You don't help with your stupid racist chant "river to the sea"

 

[Spindle]

I have never been to Gaza, have you?

I have though been to the West Bank, as well as Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa. Not though in any schools. The possibility for Jews and Arabs to coexist definitely exists though among those with the right mind set. Of which there seem many more than might be expected.

So I am not so pessimistic as you seem to be. It would take time and effort but with shared goals and leadership it could be done.

Is this were I list places I've been not in Gaza.

Are you trying to tell us that Hamas haven't been brainwashing children to hate the Jew?

 

[HKOwen]

You don't seem to understand what happens in the Gazan schools then. I'm not convinced seeing horror would make any difference to their views on the Jew

Yes, but his total lack of experience or knowledge doesn't stop him being right. After all, he travelled somewhere different and didn't visit any schools so informed views

 

[CPFCSaturn]

IT would be because of the likes of you, objecting to even moving them to safer places in the hunt for Hamas terrorists.

Quite why you can't see that they are perpetual targets by Hamas and kindness makes no difference is beyond me.

Do you mean the refugee camp where they want to concentrate all of the Palestinians?

There’s a few worrying precedents around such arrangements.

 

[HKOwen]

Do you mean the refugee camp where they want to concentrate all of the Palestinians?

There’s a few worrying precedents around such arrangements.

Refugee camp is a misleading term in Gaza and the West Bank, look no different from a regular town, they are not some kind of tent city
Houses cars, electricity, aircon, there is much worse in a lot of Asia

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Refugee camp is a misleading term in Gaza and the West Bank, look no different from a regular town, they are not some kind of tent city
Houses cars, electricity, aircon, there is much worse in a lot of Asia

Oh, that's alright then?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Do you mean the refugee camp where they want to concentrate all of the Palestinians?

There’s a few worrying precedents around such arrangements.

Like the Displaced Persons camps which were still around into the 1950s?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Is this were I list places I've been not in Gaza.

Are you trying to tell us that Hamas haven't been brainwashing children to hate the Jew?

I have no idea! I haven’t been there.

What I do know is that children seeing their families blown apart are going to be traumatised and unlikely to feel kindly towards those who did it.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I have no idea! I haven’t been there.

What I do know is that children seeing their families blown apart are going to be traumatised and unlikely to feel kindly towards those who did it.

Except those who live in Britain who shouldn't look back in anger.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Like the Displaced Persons camps which were still around into the 1950s?

I believe people were able to leave Displaced Persons camps freely, so no, not particularly like that.

Those camps were also supported by independent aid and refugee agencies - I daresay the Israelis have no such plans for such agencies to assist in Palestine.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I believe people were able to leave Displaced Persons camps freely, so no, not particularly like that.

Those camps were also supported by independent aid and refugee agencies - I daresay the Israelis have no such plans for such agencies to assist in Palestine.

Since many of them were located in former concentration camps the urge to leave was probably quite strong.

 

[HKOwen]

Oh, that's alright then?

Wibble

 

[Spindle]

Oh, that's alright then?

I agree. Perhaps they can build them detached houses, give them each a car and maybe even a swimming pool in the garden.

 

[Spindle]

I have no idea! I haven’t been there.

What I do know is that children seeing their families blown apart are going to be traumatised and unlikely to feel kindly towards those who did it.

Wow you're naive. You really think that Hamas don't push hatred into the kids. Not seen the war based school plays for the parents then? Kind of like the 5 year olds Nativity, only with one kid dressed as a Jew, and the others dressed as Hamas with cut out AKs, and they execute the Jew.

That is TYPICAL of the syllabus in Gaza.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

I agree. Perhaps they can build them detached houses, give them each a car and maybe even a swimming pool in the garden.

Yes, the only possibilities that exist are detaining 2+ million people in a 'refugee camp' or giving them detached houses with swimming pools.

A strong point as ever.

 

[Spindle]

I believe people were able to leave Displaced Persons camps freely, so no, not particularly like that.

Those camps were also supported by independent aid and refugee agencies - I daresay the Israelis have no such plans for such agencies to assist in Palestine.

Yes but they also weren't trying to kill those who put them in that accomodation.