Israel v Hamas

[indianapalace85]

More or less, yes.

As you are against any form of balance, I assume you're a Trump supporter, one that firmly believe things as facts, no matter what is there to the contrary.

Just out of interest, what source would be one that you believe?

The Sun?
Or do you want a personal visit from Netanyahu at your door?

 

[georgenorman]

As you are against any form of balance, I assume you're a Trump supporter, one that firmly believe things as facts, no matter what is there to the contrary.

Just out of interest, what source would be one that you believe?

The Sun?
Or do you want a personal visit from Netanyahu at your door?

I'm really neither a supporter or a critic of Trump, but he's clearly far, far better a president than Biden was. I'm suspicious of practically all sources, most of them distort things for political ends. I don't read any newspapers apart from seeing a few headlines online. I do subscribe to the Spectator.
Why would Netanyahu want to visit me?

 

[indianapalace85]

I'm really neither a supporter or a critic of Trump, but he's clearly far, far better a president than Biden was. I'm suspicious of practically all sources, most of them distort things for political ends. I don't read any newspapers apart from seeing a few headlines online. I do subscribe to the Spectator.
Why would Netanyahu want to visit me?

Well first of all, you seem to be his biggest fan, so why wouldn't he?

Secondly, if you're suspicious of practically all sources, what makes you even believe the ones that make you back Israel?

And you say you just read the headlines.

So I assume you never actually bother reading any articles anyway?

 

[georgenorman]

Well first of all, you seem to be his biggest fan, so why wouldn't he?

Secondly, if you're suspicious of practically all sources, what makes you even believe the ones that make you back Israel?

And you say you just read the headlines.

So I assume you never actually bother reading any articles anyway?

I'm neither a fan nor a critic of the Israeli Prime Minister but he's welcome to drop by if he wants.
I back Israel because I would like them to win against Islamic Terrorism - a view reinforced today, it being the 20th anniversary of atrocities carried out in this country by people who would share your views if they were still alive.
I think the majority of newspaper articles are pretty biased - don't you?
I read articles in the Spectator and online articles from time to time.

 

[Eagleman13]

There's nothing logical about these people defending murdering Palestinians.

Their argument is getting weaker every hour.

They believe only what they want to believe, fail to even be opening to a balanced viewpoint.
Even if I say I'm open to the other side's story (against my better judgement) I would still so - but am just told I'm a liar anyway.

They don't even want me to see the other side, when they offer it. They are truly laughable.

They fail to see anything past October 7th and use that as the justification for BS, propaganda and murder.

To turn you rant on its head, what about Palastinians murdering Israelis? What about your argument getting weaker every hour?

What about you only believe what you want to believe? What about you not allowing the other side(as you call it), not seeing the other side when you offer it? What about you failing to see what October 7th caused?

 

[indianapalace85]

To turn you rant on its head, what about Palastinians murdering Israelis? What about your argument getting weaker every hour?

What about you only believe what you want to believe? What about you not allowing the other side(as you call it), not seeing the other side when you offer it? What about you failing to see what October 7th caused?

Hmmm, so essentially you just proved my point.

You think this war only started on October 7th and fail to look at anything past your own agenda.

 

[Penge Eagle]

There's nothing logical about these people defending murdering Palestinians.

Their argument is getting weaker every hour.

They believe only what they want to believe, fail to even be opening to a balanced viewpoint.
Even if I say I'm open to the other side's story (against my better judgement) I would still so - but am just told I'm a liar anyway.

They don't even want me to see the other side, when they offer it. They are truly laughable.

They fail to see anything past October 7th and use that as the justification for BS, propaganda and murder.

You're right that blind tribalism is dangerous but that applies to both sides. If you're genuinely open to the other side then you must recognise that not everyone defending Israel is excusing murder. Many are reacting to the most brutal terror attack in decades. Truth isn't found by shouting louder.

 

[Penge Eagle]

Your one-dimensional thinking process is not conducive to a proper debate.

So now we have to be a citizen of Israel to not like a government?

What is this tosh?

That was not my point. How many foreigners openly criticise the UK government on football message boards for months on end. I would say that would be a bit weird. Understandable if it was UK citizens...

What's also strange is the disproportionate and obsessive criticism of Israel while being blind to worse atrocious elsewhere.

 

[Spindle]

Its the correct use of language for someone who clearly does not view Palestinian and Israeli life as equal, absolutely.

As evidenced by the data, the BBC have consistently made reference to Palestinians ‘dying’ with no mention of who killed them or how they died.

I’ll also include a graph on the volume of coverage Israeli vs Palestinian deaths have received, despite the overwhelming majority of victims of this conflict being Palestinian.

You asked for evidence of bias - I have very clearly provided it.

You haven't proved bias, you've just proved what kind of language is used in certain scenarios.

For example

Israel forces recover body of soldier held in Gaza since 2014

The Israeli military says Oron Shaul's remains were found during a "covert, special operation" in Gaza.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hamas says female hostage killed in northern Gaza

The woman's identity has not been revealed and it is unclear how or when she is said to have died.

www.bbc.co.uk

You appear to want drama for your emotions, a bit like the perpetual claim of genocide

 

[Spindle]

If your entire argument is underpinned by the idea that I might feel a sword on my neck one day as a result of an Islamic takeover of Britain… I’d be confident to say it’s a terrible argument.

Don't you understand what a metaphor is?

 

[Spindle]

Well first of all, you seem to be his biggest fan, so why wouldn't he?

Secondly, if you're suspicious of practically all sources, what makes you even believe the ones that make you back Israel?

And you say you just read the headlines.

So I assume you never actually bother reading any articles anyway?

Seems that since you've been told off for just name calling your new strategy, or frustration, is to just make wild claims about everyone. You've made 3 on your first 3 posts.

You might think your are a master of debate, well, you're close in a kind of way I guess lol

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That was not my point. How many foreigners openly criticise the UK government on football message boards for months on end. I would say that would be a bit weird. Understandable if it was UK citizens...

What's also strange is the disproportionate and obsessive criticism of Israel while being blind to worse atrocious elsewhere.

What is truly strange is to overlook, or even justify, the disproportionate actions of Israel just because you believe others to be worse.

Condemn evil wherever it is found and excuse no one.

I see no one at all here who is blind to the atrocities committed by Hamas. I do see several who excuse Israel.

 

[Penge Eagle]

What is truly strange is to overlook, or even justify, the disproportionate actions of Israel just because you believe others to be worse.

Condemn evil wherever it is found and excuse no one.

I see no one at all here who is blind to the atrocities committed by Hamas. I do see several who excuse Israel.

We've already gone over the "disproportionate" argument a thousand times.

I will be more specific for you... worse atrocities elsewhere in the world. I suppose you will want me to name them for you? Either way, you don't have much to say about them. Hence my point.

 

[georgenorman]

What is truly strange is to overlook, or even justify, the disproportionate actions of Israel just because you believe others to be worse.

Condemn evil wherever it is found and excuse no one.

I see no one at all here who is blind to the atrocities committed by Hamas. I do see several who excuse Israel.

Excuse them for what?

 

[CPFCSaturn]

You haven't proved bias, you've just proved what kind of language is used in certain scenarios.

For example

Israel forces recover body of soldier held in Gaza since 2014

The Israeli military says Oron Shaul's remains were found during a "covert, special operation" in Gaza.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hamas says female hostage killed in northern Gaza

The woman's identity has not been revealed and it is unclear how or when she is said to have died.

www.bbc.co.uk

You appear to want drama for your emotions, a bit like the perpetual claim of genocide

And you appear to selectively challenge small parts of posts whilst ignoring the bits you can’t, but we all have our vices.

 

[Spindle]

What is truly strange is to overlook, or even justify, the disproportionate actions of Israel just because you believe others to be worse.

Condemn evil wherever it is found and excuse no one.

I see no one at all here who is blind to the atrocities committed by Hamas. I do see several who excuse Israel.

I honestly think you don't understand much about combat. I don't either having been fortunate to have never entered a warzone, but I've watch read and studied enough of conflict to understand what they face. You seem to think it is easy going in and just getting rid of the terrorists whilst leaving everyone else unharmed. These young soldiers lives are in danger all the time, and they are faced with fanatics.

This type of enemy is what the USA faced with Japan, and was one of the drivers, or excuses for the decision to use the bomb instead of losing American lives to fight on. And the Japanese didn't even hide amongst women and children.

 

[Spindle]

And you appear to selectively challenge small parts of posts whilst ignoring the bits you can’t, but we all have our vices.

Which bits? I don't think the language is wrong, I think you wish to draw as much outrage from the articles as possible.

 

[Eagleman13]

Hmmm, so essentially you just proved my point.

You think this war only started on October 7th and fail to look at anything past your own agenda.

Where have I said that this war started on Oct 7th? I was replying to you as you had also mentioned it before me. Please do not tell me what i think, i haven't to you. I'll await an apology.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

We've already gone over the "disproportionate" argument a thousand times.

I will be more specific for you... worse atrocities elsewhere in the world. I suppose you will want me to name them for you? Either way, you don't have much to say about them. Hence my point.

It would be a step forward if you would at least acknowledge them as disproportionate, rather than fall back on the same excuse that as other might be more disproportionate they can be ignored.

So let’s try again. Is everything that Israel has done, and continues to do, proportionate to the threat it perceives or is there anything at all that you think is not?

As this thread is specifically about Israel and Hamas nobody should be saying anything about other atrocities.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Excuse them for what?

Read the thread! It’s chock full of excuses.