The Brexit thread

[Penge Eagle]

I can't believe people are still talking about this. So by popular demand...

I'll kick it off with a few big Brexit dividends. It would be much better if the useless Tories had taken advantage of the freedoms.

1. US tariff savings. The USA has set 10% tariffs for the UK, while the EU will pay 20%.

2. The Covid vaccine rollout speed. The UK approved the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on December 2, 2020 – weeks ahead of the EU. By March 2021, the UK had vaccinated 44% of adults versus the EU’s 13%. Plus, there's no need to contribute to the EU Covid scheme.

3. Better, faster support for Ukraine. With no EU consensus needed, the UK sent NLAW anti-tank weapons on January 17, weeks before Russia’s full invasion on February 24. Meanwhile, the EU’s first weapons aid was only finalised on February 28. The UK trained 50,000 Ukrainian troops (more than any others), plus cut tariffs on Ukrainian goods months before the EU.

4. No more EU Budget Contributions. The UK is saving around £9 billion net annually (based on 2019’s £13 billion gross contribution minus rebates and EU spending in the UK).

 

[ASCPFC]

The main benefit to me is being able to buy duty free.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

When Rome fell, all its institutions fell too. Currency-crash , Legal system, Trade, Roads, defence, everything. The countries in the firing line all ended up in a dark age. Living a hand-to-mouth existence on farms with tiny villages. Much violence & hardship all around. All towns & cities suffered massive population loss. Even Rome itself went from a million souls to a Detroit hollow shell with just 10,000 renegades living among the ruins. Even all the aqueducts got dismantled to rob the rocks for building.
Religious & Ethnic divisions became a battleground. Without any central-authority to referee religious differences. Nor to ever broker any compromises.

The countries that were not part of Rome, they kept their society intact. Kings, the Royal Court, ports, the rule of Law, food supply.....all ok. Poland, Ireland, Scotland, Denmark, Czechia,...........

When the EU suffers a massive collapse, the UK will weather the storm. With difficulty, but will weather it nevertheless. The collapse will likely be economic, currency, legal, stock-markets first....then followed by Civil disorder, crime, food supply, energy crisis, and will look like things we have seen in Early-1990's Russia & the former Yugoslavia. Or 1931 Germany with the theological strife of 1640's Uk.

Maybe Brexit was the rats leaving a sinking ship, or maybe it was genius. The frog getting out of the pot before the water boils. The German-jews who fled westward in the early days of the Third Reich.....they were either lucky or prescient.....probably both. And today violent AntiSemitism is on the march in France, the UK, and lots of places.

Brexit will help the Brits keep Sterling going, and hence keep the lights on. London will be ok. Meanwhile Paris first burns and and then gets abandoned.

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[steeleye20]

When Rome fell, all its institutions fell too. Currency-crash , Legal system, Trade, Roads, defence, everything. The countries in the firing line all ended up in a dark age. Living a hand-to-mouth existence on farms with tiny villages. Much violence & hardship all around. All towns & cities suffered massive population loss. Even Rome itself went from a million souls to a Detroit hollow shell with just 10,000 renegades living among the ruins. Even all the aqueducts got dismantled to rob the rocks for building.

The countries that were not part of Rome, they kept their society intact. Kings, the Royal Court, ports, the rule of Law, food supply.....all ok. Poland, Ireland, Scotland, Denmark, Czechia,...........

When the EU suffers a massive collapse, the UK will weather the storm. With difficulty, but will weather it nevertheless. The collapse will likely be economic, currency, legal, stock-markets first....then followed by Civil disorder, crime, food supply, energy crisis, and will look like things we have seen in 1990's Russia & the former Yugoslavia.

Brexit will help the Brits keep Sterling going, and hence keep the lights on. London will be ok. Meanwhile Paris first burns and and then gets abandoned.

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😉 😉 😉 😉 😉

I'll give you that, that's funny.

 

[steeleye20]

What 24th June 2025 and no celebration?

9 years since David Dannan's leave speech.

'By 24th June 2025 Paris, Frankfurt and Milan will have stagnated, but Leeds and Birmingham will be important financial centres'.

🙂🙂🙂🙂

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I can't believe people are still talking about this. So by popular demand...

I'll kick it off with a few big Brexit dividends. It would be much better if the useless Tories had taken advantage of the freedoms.

1. US tariff savings. The USA has set 10% tariffs for the UK, while the EU will pay 20%.

That’s a win? It’s still 10% more than it ought to be and maybe if we had remained the whole of Europe would be nil. It’s impossible to know.

2. The Covid vaccine rollout speed. The UK approved the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on December 2, 2020 – weeks ahead of the EU. By March 2021, the UK had vaccinated 44% of adults versus the EU’s 13%. Plus, there's no need to contribute to the EU Covid scheme.

With us still inside perhaps our skills would have benefited the whole of the EU?

3. Better, faster support for Ukraine. With no EU consensus needed, the UK sent NLAW anti-tank weapons on January 17, weeks before Russia’s full invasion on February 24. Meanwhile, the EU’s first weapons aid was only finalised on February 28. The UK trained 50,000 Ukrainian troops (more than any others), plus cut tariffs on Ukrainian goods months before the EU.

Would have made no difference. Military decisions remain with the individual governments. The EU are not involved.

4. No more EU Budget Contributions. The UK is saving around £9 billion net annually (based on 2019’s £13 billion gross contribution minus rebates and EU spending in the UK).

How much more are we spending to duplicate what we used to delegate to the central bodies in the EU? There has been a massive increase in the civil service as a consequence.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

After all this time, it seems that some dim wits still don't understand why we wanted to leave.

 

[steeleye20]

'A brexit is not just for Christmas'

Tonight on C4 news, British living standards will increase by only 1% in the entire decade 2019-29.

The worst ever since records began etc. etc.

Can't imagine why.

We jumped for joy as the 4.5% decrease in GDP was announced.

😎

 

[Spindle]

I can't believe people are still talking about this. So by popular demand...

I'll kick it off with a few big Brexit dividends. It would be much better if the useless Tories had taken advantage of the freedoms.

1. US tariff savings. The USA has set 10% tariffs for the UK, while the EU will pay 20%.

2. The Covid vaccine rollout speed. The UK approved the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on December 2, 2020 – weeks ahead of the EU. By March 2021, the UK had vaccinated 44% of adults versus the EU’s 13%. Plus, there's no need to contribute to the EU Covid scheme.

3. Better, faster support for Ukraine. With no EU consensus needed, the UK sent NLAW anti-tank weapons on January 17, weeks before Russia’s full invasion on February 24. Meanwhile, the EU’s first weapons aid was only finalised on February 28. The UK trained 50,000 Ukrainian troops (more than any others), plus cut tariffs on Ukrainian goods months before the EU.

4. No more EU Budget Contributions. The UK is saving around £9 billion net annually (based on 2019’s £13 billion gross contribution minus rebates and EU spending in the UK).

So you have 3 utter global f*** ups plus some stats that don't offset the figures of lost trade.

Awesome work

 

[PalazioVecchio]

i am hoping that soon some other country will tell the EU where they can shove it.

anybody wants to guess which one ?

Greece or Netherlands is my guess.

 

[Penge Eagle]

So you have 3 utter global f*** ups plus some stats that don't offset the figures of lost trade.

Awesome work

That was just to kickstart the thread!

PS Why are you always so angry? 😀

 

[HKOwen]

Channel 4 news = oxymoron, subtract the oxy and there's the post source

 

[Spiderman]

'A brexit is not just for Christmas'

Tonight on C4 news, British living standards will increase by only 1% in the entire decade 2019-29.

The worst ever since records began etc. etc.

Can't imagine why.

We jumped for joy as the 4.5% decrease in GDP was announced.

😎

About time you moved is t it? 😎

 

[Spiderman]

i am hoping that soon some other country will tell the EU where they can shove it.

anybody wants to guess which one ?

Greece or Netherlands is my guess.

Sweden

 

[Spindle]

That was just to kickstart the thread!

PS Why are you always so angry? 😀

There's nothing angry in my post, other than my belief about what a stupid costly mistake brexshit is. If not where are the wins for us? Because you didn't list any, there should be loads but by every metric we're losers

You talk of anger, look at the post following mine, absolutely bitter

 

[Teddy Eagle]

There's nothing angry in my post, other than my belief about what a stupid costly mistake brexshit is. If not where are the wins for us? Because you didn't list any, there should be loads but by every metric we're losers

You talk of anger, look at the post following mine, absolutely bitter

Once again.
Duty free fags from EU countries. Not only a gain but a boon.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

After all this time, it seems that some dim wits still don't understand why we wanted to remain.

Edited for accuracy!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Once again.
Duty free fags from EU countries. Not only a gain but a boon.

A gain?

I don’t think even the most addicted smoker believes smoking is a sensible way to spend money. Making it cheaper for one, means more cost loaded on everyone else to replace the lost revenue.

Smoking related disease costs us all huge unnecessary amounts and overloads the NHS.

Hardly a gain for anyone! Poor health for those who smoke and cost for everyone.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

A gain?

I don’t think even the most addicted smoker believes smoking is a sensible way to spend money. Making it cheaper for one, means more cost loaded on everyone else to replace the lost revenue.

Smoking related disease costs us all huge unnecessary amounts and overloads the NHS.

Hardly a gain for anyone! Poor health for those who smoke and cost for everyone.

£120 saving on 200? Pretty good gain. The tax on tobacco is exorbitant and one that I and many others pay daily. Take my contribution out of that.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

£120 saving on 200? Pretty good gain. The tax on tobacco is exorbitant and one that I and many others pay daily. Take my contribution out of that.

It’s not exorbitant at all. It’s obviously not enough if you are still smoking.

If you aren’t paying that money in tobacco tax then it needs to be raised elsewhere. Perhaps by making smokers pay for any smoking related health care privately and removing it from the remit of the NHS?