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Israel v Iran

steeleye20 said:
Starmer and Reeves, words fail me.

They are the British answer to Biden and Harris.

Defending Israel, they attacked Iran, not the other way round, it is Iran who have the right of self-defence.

Israel are terrorism itself, in WW2 they letter-bombed Churchill, while he was fighting Hitler!

How can people support what they have done.

Ye Gods.

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When Britain doesn't agree with you then look at yourself. You seriously think we should be backing Iran?

Traitor.
 
Spindle said:
Tallboys could I thought, they just missed
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There were direct hits and we thought we'd knocked out the pens. They may have worked earlier and the Germans reinforced them. One of the pens with a massive hole is still there. Would it be St Malo/ St Nazzare can't remember. But it didn't go into the pen. It destroys the outer layer and then the blast disperses in the void between. The RAF thought it did; however, that's just my recollection of seeing something about it before.
 
Iran using hypersonic missiles. Now where would they have got those I wonder?

This is going to get very ugly.
 
I'd make the point here that everyone is just accepting Israel's narrative that Iran are making a nuclear bomb. Now that may or may not be true, however I'd sure all of us here would say that most media and governments lie to their people's to justify their actions as a matter of course.....But what I observe is that when it comes to new wars....almost everyone believes the media narrative.....while freely admitting that they were lied to over Iraq and that the media often create misleading narratives.

I think people get carried away by the overwhelming one way narrative of media reinforcement......Same thing happened to me with the Gulf wars, but now I'm far more skeptical.

No one seems to bring up or maybe they don't know that the CIA director Gabbard recently stated that they had no evidence that Iran had a nuclear bomb programme......in other words this could just be a narrative to justify the war and get rid of a regional opponent.

Now when you start a war, you are geniunely considered to be in the wrong....I think we all agree that Russia (whatever their justifications) were wrong to attack Ukraine in 2022.

But I think that when it comes to wars against Muslims we just automatically have sympathy about it.

What I'd say is that while I'm fully against the expansion of Islam in the UK, that doesn't mean that I think killing innocent Muslims in buildings or just attacking an Islamic state is ok because it doesn't like you.

In my view for Israel to be supported for their claim then Israel should be made to prove that Iran was making a nuclear bomb (which by the way I think is kind of moot because they could just sodding buy the actual bombs from North Korea).....it's the launch systems that are far harder to come by.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I'd make the point here that everyone is just accepting Israel's narrative that Iran are making a nuclear bomb. Now that may or may not be true, however I'd sure all of us here would say that most media and governments lie to their people's to justify their actions as a matter of course.....But what I observe is that when it comes to new wars....almost everyone believes the media narrative.....while freely admitting that they were lied to over Iraq and that the media often create misleading narratives.

I think people get carried away by the overwhelming one way narrative of media reinforcement......Same thing happened to me with the Gulf wars, but now I'm far more skeptical.

No one seems to bring up or maybe they don't know that the CIA director Gabbard recently stated that they had no evidence that Iran had a nuclear bomb programme......in other words this could just be a narrative to justify the war and get rid of a regional opponent.

Now when you start a war, you are geniunely considered to be in the wrong....I think we all agree that Russia (whatever their justifications) were wrong to attack Ukraine in 2022.

But I think that when it comes to wars against Muslims we just automatically have sympathy about it.

What I'd say is that while I'm fully against the expansion of Islam in the UK, that doesn't mean that I think killing innocent Muslims in buildings or just attacking an Islamic state is ok because it doesn't like you.

In my view for Israel to be supported for their claim then Israel should be made to prove that Iran was making a nuclear bomb (which by the way I think is kind of moot because they could just sodding buy the actual bombs from North Korea).....it's the launch systems that are far harder to come by.
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The Nuclear non Proliferation Treaty? Iran is a signatory whereas Israel is not.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I'd make the point here that everyone is just accepting Israel's narrative that Iran are making a nuclear bomb. Now that may or may not be true, however I'd sure all of us here would say that most media and governments lie to their people's to justify their actions as a matter of course.....But what I observe is that when it comes to new wars....almost everyone believes the media narrative.....while freely admitting that they were lied to over Iraq and that the media often create misleading narratives.

I think people get carried away by the overwhelming one way narrative of media reinforcement......Same thing happened to me with the Gulf wars, but now I'm far more skeptical.

No one seems to bring up or maybe they don't know that the CIA director Gabbard recently stated that they had no evidence that Iran had a nuclear bomb programme......in other words this could just be a narrative to justify the war and get rid of a regional opponent.

Now when you start a war, you are geniunely considered to be in the wrong....I think we all agree that Russia (whatever their justifications) were wrong to attack Ukraine in 2022.

But I think that when it comes to wars against Muslims we just automatically have sympathy about it.

What I'd say is that while I'm fully against the expansion of Islam in the UK, that doesn't mean that I think killing innocent Muslims in buildings or just attacking an Islamic state is ok because it doesn't like you.

In my view for Israel to be supported for their claim then Israel should be made to prove that Iran was making a nuclear bomb (which by the way I think is kind of moot because they could just sodding buy the actual bombs from North Korea).....it's the launch systems that are far harder to come by.
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If your not careful your questioning of Israel will get you accused of antisemitism.
This war has nothing to do with us. We should have learned from Iraq.
 
kevlee said:
If your not careful your questioning of Israel will get you accused of antisemitism.
This war has nothing to do with us. We should have learned from Iraq.
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Well I'm a social conservative and a small 'n' nationalist, so I'm not against Zionism like say the left are against it.

I just think that the way they are going about it with Iran, won't work....and while the what they are doing with Gaza will work, the morality of it hurts.

And Trump hasn't stopped any war yet, or at least got out of them like he said.......and I've been pretty consistent about all these wars.....I haven't seen one that makes sense for the west.

As for Jews, I'm mostly critical of their intelligence agencies, but I'm just as critical of ours and the US (because all three are tied at the hip)....But Jews personally, well I like too many of them to ever really be antisemitic.....Mike Benz probably being my biggest influence.

Look at what they did with that land in Palestine, turned it into a rich state whereas the Islamic countries are mostly sh1tholes.

Obviously Jews are going to be concerned about the 'homeland' as it were, but while all war interests me I think the homeland here is more important, because the real physical threat to British Jews and us is here.
 
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