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Tommy Robinson

eaglesdare said:
It makes me and my staff and customers feel uncomfortable. I am well within my rights to refuse.
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What an odd straw-man argument to make 🤣
 
eaglesdare said:
It makes me and my staff and customers feel uncomfortable. I am well within my rights to refuse.
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That’s irrelevant.

If you break anti discrimination law by refusing service to someone in a specified category just because they are part of that category then you have no defence.

You might not be prosecuted, but simply warned, but deliberately repeating it would not be sensible.
 
This the dining equivalent of de banking. It's anti free speech, the point of which is not the content but the right to express it.

I don't think Hawksmoor's customer base is vegan champagne socialists.

There's plenty of choice to Hawksmoors in London.

St John Smithfield very good, Hix was excellent but sadly gone
 
If Robinson behaved in an offensive manner to the staff they had every right to refuse him service. But according to the press release from Hawksmore that doesn’t appear to be the case.

If Robinson was a Traveller they would be suing the restaurant (they do this all the time with pubs and holiday camps).

I don't know if they have broken the law but refusing to serve someone who has done nothing wrong may damage your brand.

Personally if I was the manager and a member of staff complained I would have given that person a job as far away from Robinson as possible e.g. go help out in the kitchen for a couple for hours.

When I worked in M&S we had our regulars, most were very nice but there were the odd one or 2 who we all hated you just have to suck it up and tell yourself they will be gone soon.
 
Badger11 said:
If Robinson was a Traveller they would be suing the restaurant (they do this all the time with pubs and holiday camps).
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the internet is awash with such stories now. There are some towns here in Ireland that reputedly have all the bars on an 'early warning system'. Simultaneously every bar closes 'for a staff training event' whenever certain types of vehicles enter the town. And the customers that you can see through the restaurant-windows.......eating happily. "oh, they are just finishing up before the scheduled training event starts"

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/ecu5nw/traveller_family_awarded_33000_over_shocking_pub

 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
That’s irrelevant.

If you break anti discrimination law by refusing service to someone in a specified category just because they are part of that category then you have no defence.

You might not be prosecuted, but simply warned, but deliberately repeating it would not be sensible.
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So in that case you are saying Tommy Robinson was right then.
 
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georgenorman said:
Businesses should be free to serve and not serve whoever they like.
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Agree, but then you have cake saga in Northern Ireland and the trans blokes in dresses who serially sue places that don't let them in.

Hawksmoor should have turned him away at the door, not make up some complaint story, they will now get a load of people complaining about other tables and be shown to be massive hypocrites.

In this instance hard to paint TR as racist , which FWIW I don't think he is.
 
By the sounds of it it came from higher up the management chain. As it looks like a lot of staff and customers were friendly towards the group and getting pictures.

If he wore an lgbt hat and was thrown out the libtards would be out protesting the next day.
 
Badger11 said:
If Robinson behaved in an offensive manner to the staff they had every right to refuse him service. But according to the press release from Hawksmore that doesn’t appear to be the case.

If Robinson was a Traveller they would be suing the restaurant (they do this all the time with pubs and holiday camps).

I don't know if they have broken the law but refusing to serve someone who has done nothing wrong may damage your brand.

Personally if I was the manager and a member of staff complained I would have given that person a job as far away from Robinson as possible e.g. go help out in the kitchen for a couple for hours.

When I worked in M&S we had our regulars, most were very nice but there were the odd one or 2 who we all hated you just have to suck it up and tell yourself they will be gone soon.
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The position is, I believe, different in pubs and restaurants to other businesses. They can refuse service without restrictions. This has been a PR disaster but probably has no legal implications.
 
Badger11 said:
If Robinson behaved in an offensive manner to the staff they had every right to refuse him service. But according to the press release from Hawksmore that doesn’t appear to be the case.

If Robinson was a Traveller they would be suing the restaurant (they do this all the time with pubs and holiday camps).

I don't know if they have broken the law but refusing to serve someone who has done nothing wrong may damage your brand.

Personally if I was the manager and a member of staff complained I would have given that person a job as far away from Robinson as possible e.g. go help out in the kitchen for a couple for hours.

When I worked in M&S we had our regulars, most were very nice but there were the odd one or 2 who we all hated you just have to suck it up and tell yourself they will be gone soon.
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He travelled straightout of the restuarant, can you be barred for being an odious little toad?
 
Spiderman said:
I’m not sure they are right. Cannot refuse service because you don’t like the look of somebody

www.milnerslaw.co.uk

Can I choose my customers? The right to refuse service in UK law - Milners

When is a business in the UK allowed to refuse service to a customer or client? The answer isn't as simple as you might think. Find out more in our guide.
www.milnerslaw.co.uk www.milnerslaw.co.uk
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I am not a lawyer but I thought pubs and restaurants had a common law right to decide who they associate with. Much like we do at home. It’s their space. It’s not a shop. So long as they don’t discriminate on the protected grounds they can refuse to serve.
 
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