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Starmer's benefit Britain !!

Widely read by sufferers from brexit derangement syndrome.

Tories now dropped to 4th according to the polls.

It's hardly surprising given this drivel.

😎
 
DanH said:
Speaks volumes about your opinions Georgey Boy.
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Certainly I agree with most of the views expressed in the world's oldest surviving magazine. Many more would too if they took the trouble to read it.
 
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Jacey said:
Nice work if you can get it:


www.spectator.co.uk

Britain is now a slackers’ paradise

A look at how Britain is attracting the work-weary with its relaxed lifestyle – specifically those from countries like America.
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk
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Thought this was a rubbish analysis to be honest - basically holds up the fact that we are less work-obsessed than the Americans and the Chinese as some emerging trend, but when has that not been the case..?

We still work more and longer days than pretty much all of our European counterparts.

The cultural shift we have seen in Britain in terms of relationship to work is very much a result of the reality that working hard doesn't guarantee you any sort of quality of life anymore - you can work 60 hour weeks and still never own a home, still struggle to pay bills etc.

'Slackers paradise' is just nonsense - the cost of living is absurdly high.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Thought this was a rubbish analysis to be honest - basically holds up the fact that we are less work-obsessed than the Americans and the Chinese as some emerging trend, but when has that not been the case..?

We still work more and longer days than pretty much all of our European counterparts.

The cultural shift we have seen in Britain in terms of relationship to work is very much a result of the reality that working hard doesn't guarantee you any sort of quality of life anymore - you can work 60 hour weeks and still never own a home, still struggle to pay bills etc.

'Slackers paradise' is just nonsense - the cost of living is absurdly high.
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The cost of working is very high !
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Thought this was a rubbish analysis to be honest - basically holds up the fact that we are less work-obsessed than the Americans and the Chinese as some emerging trend, but when has that not been the case..?

We still work more and longer days than pretty much all of our European counterparts.

The cultural shift we have seen in Britain in terms of relationship to work is very much a result of the reality that working hard doesn't guarantee you any sort of quality of life anymore - you can work 60 hour weeks and still never own a home, still struggle to pay bills etc.

'Slackers paradise' is just nonsense - the cost of living is absurdly high.
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It's not a good article however the point remains.

Since COVID people have wanted to rebalance work / life. That is all very well but there is a cost.

At the same time as people are saying they want to do less hours for more money or just work from home more we have AI and other technologies ramping up.

People don't seem to have noticed the coming jobs crisis. A job that can be done from home can be done from halfway around the world by someone a lot cheaper. I know I lost mine to an Indian Service centre 20 years ago.

UK banks are actually ripe for this. I worked for an American bank who did all this meaning I lost my job. I then worked for Barclays, their IT systems were hopelessly out of date so offshoring jobs was almost impossible. The project I worked on for Barclays was to update their systems so WFH or rather working from a cheap country would be possible.

This was 20 years ago so I assume that most UK banks have now caught up with the new technologies so the staff are just begging to be replaced.

www.dailymail.co.uk

HSBC warns staff bonuses could be cut if they're not in office enough

HSBC said if they fail to come in for the required three days a week, they could end up being paid less.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Careful what you wish for. The government should do people a favour and point all of this out. Some people and the unions are just sleepwalking into unemployment.
 
Badger11 said:
It's not a good article however the point remains.

Since COVID people have wanted to rebalance work / life. That is all very well but there is a cost.

At the same time as people are saying they want to do less hours for more money or just work from home more we have AI and other technologies ramping up.

People don't seem to have noticed the coming jobs crisis. A job that can be done from home can be done from halfway around the world by someone a lot cheaper. I know I lost mine to an Indian Service centre 20 years ago.

UK banks are actually ripe for this. I worked for an American bank who did all this meaning I lost my job. I then worked for Barclays, their IT systems were hopelessly out of date so offshoring jobs was almost impossible. The project I worked on for Barclays was to update their systems so WFH or rather working from a cheap country would be possible.

This was 20 years ago so I assume that most UK banks have now caught up with the new technologies so the staff are just begging to be replaced.

www.dailymail.co.uk

HSBC warns staff bonuses could be cut if they're not in office enough

HSBC said if they fail to come in for the required three days a week, they could end up being paid less.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

Careful what you wish for. The government should do people a favour and point all of this out. Some people and the unions are just sleepwalking into unemployment.
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I don't particularly disagree with anything you've said, but I think the wanting to do less hours angle is a consequence of what I described - what's the point in killing yourself for a job if it doesn't even offer you a good quality of life?
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I don't particularly disagree with anything you've said, but I think the wanting to do less hours angle is a consequence of what I described - what's the point in killing yourself for a job if it doesn't even offer you a good quality of life?
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Because the alternative will not look very pretty.

I guess it depends on what type of job you have. If it is an entry level job then WFH is probably not an option e.g. shelf filler and working less is hardly an option as the pay is so low.

If you are working for a large company then I would say you are damaging you own career. When I started work in 1979 for a bank my mates were mainly doing manual jobs and earned more than me and let me know it. I saw it as a career I stuck at it and within 5 years I was earning far more than them and I never looked back. Years later those same mates were moaning how their wages had not kept pace with inflation. T'was ever this.

I can't get my head around some people who according to social media encourage others to work less. Don't they get it? The idea that employers will pay you more for less is absurd. Since COVID companies have accelerated their plans to reduce staff or move jobs abroad. In the Financial sector there is a blood bath which has only just started.

I predict we will have high unemployment as a norm, and if that happens at some point (a) government will start to cut back on benefits as the country will not be able to afford it.
 
Badger11 said:
Because the alternative will not look very pretty.

I guess it depends on what type of job you have. If it is an entry level job then WFH is probably not an option e.g. shelf filler and working less is hardly an option as the pay is so low.

If you are working for a large company then I would say you are damaging you own career. When I started work in 1979 for a bank my mates were mainly doing manual jobs and earned more than me and let me know it. I saw it as a career I stuck at it and within 5 years I was earning far more than them and I never looked back. Years later those same mates were moaning how their wages had not kept pace with inflation. T'was ever this.

I can't get my head around some people who according to social media encourage others to work less. Don't they get it? The idea that employers will pay you more for less is absurd. Since COVID companies have accelerated their plans to reduce staff or move jobs abroad. In the Financial sector there is a blood bath which has only just started.

I predict we will have high unemployment as a norm, and if that happens at some point (a) government will start to cut back on benefits as the country will not be able to afford it.
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I've never seen anyone make that suggestion - I think it's a misrepresentation of that position, which to my understanding is much more;

'Don't kill yourself for a job, they still won't pay you enough'

If automation is as transformative as some predict, productivity should improve significantly and the state should reap the rewards of the economic growth to follow - how those rewards as redistributed is the scary bit!
 
CPFCSaturn said:
I've never seen anyone make that suggestion - I think it's a misrepresentation of that position, which to my understanding is much more;

'Don't kill yourself for a job, they still won't pay you enough'

If automation is as transformative as some predict, productivity should improve significantly and the state should reap the rewards of the economic growth to follow - how those rewards as redistributed is the scary bit!
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I believe on social media it's called Quiet Quitting. Idiots urging others to do the least possible work.

Whether anyone pays attention I have no idea.

Productivity will improve with automation but so will unemployment and eventually benefits will be cut.
 
Badger11 said:
I believe on social media it's called Quiet Quitting. Idiots urging others to do the least possible work.

Whether anyone pays attention I have no idea.

Productivity will improve with automation but so will unemployment and eventually benefits will be cut.
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Quiet quitting is about doing as little as you can get away with, but no one is expecting to be paid more for it.
 
Badger11 said:
Try telling that to the unions. Several are currently demanding more pay and less hours.

Boldly marching forward, onwards lads onwards, there's the cliff.
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You're conflating different things - quiet quitting is a social media/gen Z type trend, nothing to do with and certainly not endorsed by unions.
 
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