US Politics

[eaglesdare]

In 2021 the average cost of prescriptions for Americans was $1,432 per person. When it's estimated that a third of Americans can't afford their prescribed medication how much do you expect them to care what happens in other countries?

I could be wrong but most Americans would have health insurance these days and prescription costs are covered with these anyway?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

I could be wrong but most Americans would have health insurance these days and prescription costs are covered with these anyway?

One of our American posters would be able to help but according to Google about 25 m people don't have health insurance and those that do aren't covered for everything.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/27/799019013/when-insurance-wont-cover-drugs-americans-make-tough-choices-about-their-health

 

[Jimenez]

My wife is a specialist eye nurse!

Simple eye drops are cheap, but not all eye drops are simple. Over the counter eye drops, not being on prescription, will be simple. Prescription drugs are unlikely to be.

Whether people in the USA benefit, or not, is not the point I am making. It’s the potential knock on effect on us, never mind that which the developing world might suffer.

Americans appear not to either realise this or not care if they do. I do.

I should of stated for the record that the cost is for three different bottles of drops for Glaucoma in my right eye,but yes you're correct in your prescription drugs description.
Actually out of curiosity I googled the UK price & they are 19.99, 34.99 29.99 Total 84.97 so around 112.00 (dollars) surprisingly not a lot cheaper to my surprise, but my point from earlier stands lower prices has to be a good thing.

 

[Jimenez]

I could be wrong but most Americans would have health insurance these days and prescription costs are covered with these anyway?

No not all health insurance covers prescription costs

 

[DanH]

Looks like the economic disasters you were predicting won't be happening.

I'm shocked....shocked.

You getting the economics wrong....

Not being able to see anything other than what your lefty websites tell you.

Who'd have thunk it.

They’re still on track for a recession.

Also, for ‘lefty websites’ read ‘economic data’.

You can try and claim I’m wrong if it makes your insecure little mind feel better.

 

[DanH]

Good analysis from that famous lefty website Market Watch here about the lasting damage of Trump’s nonsense.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-market-is-cheering-the-u-s-china-trade-deal-but-the-damage-is-done-7fab9db9

 

[Badger11]

They'll still be making enough to rub along with.

Senate Report Exposes Big Pharma's Profiteering at Americans’ Expense | TechTarget

S Senate HELP Committee's 2024 report exposes J&J, Merck, and BMS for prioritizing profits over Americans' well-being with exorbitant drug prices.

www.techtarget.com

And this is the point. Both parties have shamefully allowed big Pharma to rip off their own voters for decades whilst taking huge party donations and allowing doctors to be bribed. See the opioid scandal.

They could have done something about it but as the snout was in the trough chose not to. Many ordinary Americans struggle to pay for these medications so this is a simple solution which should help millions of them.

If it's the wrong solution then I suggest all those senators and congressmen who have been on the take come up with a better one. I'm sure the American public would love to hear it and why it hasn't been implemented before.

 

[Badger11]

If this drug cost reduction works then Trump's next act should be to force the insurance industry to cut their heathcare premiums as they will be making savings which should be passed on to the patient.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I never had you down as selfish but hey a new thing learned every day!

How is being concerned about the impact on us and others selfish? We aren’t doing anything!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

In 2021 the average cost of prescriptions for Americans was $1,432 per person. When it's estimated that a third of Americans can't afford their prescribed medication how much do you expect them to care what happens in other countries?

Because they are also human and ought to realise there are others worse off than them. Their ire ought to be directed internally at a system which commercialises health care rather than sees it as a right.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I should of stated for the record that the cost is for three different bottles of drops for Glaucoma in my right eye,but yes you're correct in your prescription drugs description.
Actually out of curiosity I googled the UK price & they are 19.99, 34.99 29.99 Total 84.97 so around 112.00 (dollars) surprisingly not a lot cheaper to my surprise, but my point from earlier stands lower prices has to be a good thing.

Thanks.

That’s both honest and illuminating!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Because they are also human and ought to realise there are others worse off than them. Their ire ought to be directed internally at a system which commercialises health care rather than sees it as a right.

That's an admirably Christian attitude but how do you know where their ire is directed? The point is that they have been over charged for decades and want prices lowered and if that means other countries paying more they'll be as fine with that as we would be.

 

[Stirlingsays]

They’re still on track for a recession.

Also, for ‘lefty websites’ read ‘economic data’.

You can try and claim I’m wrong if it makes your insecure little mind feel better.

Is that the economic data that has the markets up higher than it was being Trump announced this global hike in tariffs?

If there's is a recession in America I suspect it's going to be for one quarter.

I put it to you that your lefty websites aren't objective and are riven through with TDS and like yourself are unable to look at the wider picture. Unlike yourself I stated that there wouldn't be a 'consensus' economic front against Trump in Europe (the systems are too intertwined) and that he would soften where he needed to. You on the other hand were nothing but fire and brimstone.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Good analysis from that famous lefty website Market Watch here about the lasting damage of Trump’s nonsense.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-stock-market-is-cheering-the-u-s-china-trade-deal-but-the-damage-is-done-7fab9db9

An article on the US-China situation written by Angela Huyue Zhang and S. Alex Yang......and there's Dan completely at face value.

Most of their points were meh in terms of economic effect for America with and the only valid point being instability and shock to global chains....but this misses out the main point. Sure, it has created short term disruption and shock but the larger analysis is that the alternation of that system is far more expensive than continuing. All Trump has to do is announce trade deals (which is happening) and the system normalises.

Self interest keeps the system together, change would create a much larger and longer global recession and Trump's tactic of putting a shotgun to his economic rival's head works short term because they are more prepared to avoid that than he is....Hell, it's perfect for the US as Trump's gone in a few years but they get to keep the deals due to the power balance.

I do think that longer term there is a widening and distancing troubling effect between the global south and the west but that's mixed in with other factors as well.

 

[HKOwen]

An article on the US-China situation written by Angela Huyue Zhang and S. Alex Yang......and there's Dan completely at face value.

Most of their points were meh in terms of economic effect for America with and the only valid point being instability and shock to global chains....but this misses out the main point. Sure, it has created short term disruption and shock but the larger analysis is that the alternation of that system is far more expensive than continuing. All Trump has to do is announce trade deals (which is happening) and the system normalises.

Self interest keeps the system together, change would create a much larger and longer global recession and Trump's tactic of putting a shotgun to his economic rival's head works short term because they are more prepared to avoid that than he is....Hell, it's perfect for the US as Trump's gone in a few years but they get to keep the deals due to the power balance.

I do think that longer term there is a widening and distancing troubling effect between the global south and the west but that's mixed in with other factors as well.

The clue is in the word : Opinion

 

[NMPalace]

One of our American posters would be able to help but according to Google about 25 m people don't have health insurance and those that do aren't covered for everything.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/27/799019013/when-insurance-wont-cover-drugs-americans-make-tough-choices-about-their-health

i did some research on this a year or so ago as i had invested in a small UK company that started selling a prescription drug in the US.

I believe 65% of Americans are covered via company medical insurance policies and about 38% get it via Medicare and Medicaid (Obama care?) so that leaves about 7% who slip through the net.

If the US had a population of 650m that's about 45m.

For all its faults the NHS is a wonderful service.

 

[HKOwen]

i did some research on this a year or so ago as i had invested in a small UK company that started selling a prescription drug in the US.

I believe 65% of Americans are covered via company medical insurance policies and about 38% get it via Medicare and Medicaid (Obama care?) so that leaves about 7% who slip through the net.

If the US had a population of 650m that's about 45m.

For all its faults the NHS is a wonderful service.

The population of the US is @ 350 million, am confused where the 650M comes from

7% of 350m is about 25M as mentioned by Teddy Eagle.

That's probably the number of non documented and illegal immigrants who can't access private healtyh insurance, medicare and medicaid

 

[Teddy Eagle]

i did some research on this a year or so ago as i had invested in a small UK company that started selling a prescription drug in the US.

I believe 65% of Americans are covered via company medical insurance policies and about 38% get it via Medicare and Medicaid (Obama care?) so that leaves about 7% who slip through the net.

If the US had a population of 650m that's about 45m.

For all its faults the NHS is a wonderful service.

I was in America when Obamacare was introduced and was the topic of quite a few conversations. It was surprising how many were against it, mainly because people didn't see why they should have to pay for others' healthcare.
This was in San Francisco where I'd assumed a more understanding/caring attitude might prevail.

 

[Stirlingsays]

i did some research on this a year or so ago as i had invested in a small UK company that started selling a prescription drug in the US.

I believe 65% of Americans are covered via company medical insurance policies and about 38% get it via Medicare and Medicaid (Obama care?) so that leaves about 7% who slip through the net.

If the US had a population of 650m that's about 45m.

For all its faults the NHS is a wonderful service.

If it was a national health service and not a global one.

 

[Eaglehamster]

The population of the US is @ 350 million, am confused where the 650M comes from

7% of 350m is about 25M as mentioned by Teddy Eagle.

That's probably the number of non documented and illegal immigrants who can't access private healtyh insurance, medicare and medicaid

Is that number estmated in the 350 million? Or would they be uncounted as they're undocumented/illegal?