Educated Fools & Street-smart wise-guys

[PalazioVecchio]

Answer this in couplets. 1 and 1.....or 3 and 3. You get the idea. Below i have listed 6 and 6 to get the Galileo ball rolling.

The Smarts must not have either a) finished Higher education or b) benefited from much other privileged education. But did demonstrate much brilliance.

The Fools must have been educated AND at least have a significant number of people, in the room, who think them a fool.

Educated Fools

- Dan Quayle
- Henry viii
- Neville Chamberlain
- Crash Gordon......telling the financial-markets that he planned to dump a few hundred tons of gold.
- The board of directors of IBM, who gave the keys of the software World to Microsoft.
- Kaiser Wilhelm II


Street-smarts

- Steve Jobs
- Pablo Escobar
- Josef Stalin
- Leonardo Da Vinci
- Ken Dodd...left a legacy of 27 million quid.
- Ingvar Kamprad, apart from Churchill, not many alcoholics live to their 90's.

Dan Quayle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The 10 worst monarchs from British history

George IV's incredibly lavish, taxpayer-funded lifestyle that left him morbidly obese and riddled with gout, turned him into one of the most despised monarchs ever to sit on the throne

www.history.co.uk

Ken Dodd - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

your turn......

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

Ed Miliband and David Lammy come to mind as a couple of fools, although I'm not sure about Sammy's education credentials.

Richard Branson and Arthur Daley could definitely rate as wise guys, although I accept that Daley is fictional.

 

[RubinsCube]

Educated Fools
- Chris Grayling (handed out maritime government contracts to companies that didn't have any ships!)
- Lord Elgin (plundered the Elgin Marbles; hindsight is 20:20 but he didn't really think through the consequences)
- TE Lawrence (destabilized the Middle East post WWI)

Street Smart Wise Guys
- Stormzy (Baller. Should support Palace, though, which from what I can see is his one real failing).
- Alan Sugar (Jumped into tech as an early adopter. Shrewd entrepreneur and super resilient).
- Paul Weller (One of the most enduring and recession/fashion proof personal brands I can think of).
- Liam Gallagher
- Gary Neville (property magnate and entrepreneur post retirement from football).
- June Sarpong

 

[PalazioVecchio]

the mention of TE Lawrence reminds me of 3 fellas who delivered a War-victory to their own side and then got fecked-over by their own Government.

- TE Lawrence
- Alan Turing
- Oppenheimer

Not necessarily fools, but certainly they ended up with a raw deal. A bit like the Roman war-veterans who returned home, after winning the Punic war. They discovered that aristocrats, in the Senate, had robbed their land. And then you wonder why a militarist-populist like Caesar got so much support thereafter.

Two Comedy Fellas

- Lenny Henry
- Bill Hicks


Street-Smarts or Educated fools ? i will let you decide which is which.

 

[Badger11]

Educated Fools
- Chris Grayling (handed out maritime government contracts to companies that didn't have any ships!)
- Lord Elgin (plundered the Elgin Marbles; hindsight is 20:20 but he didn't really think through the consequences)
- TE Lawrence (destabilized the Middle East post WWI)

Street Smart Wise Guys
- Stormzy (Baller. Should support Palace, though, which from what I can see is his one real failing).
- Alan Sugar (Jumped into tech as an early adopter. Shrewd entrepreneur and super resilient).
- Paul Weller (One of the most enduring and recession/fashion proof personal brands I can think of).
- Liam Gallagher
- Gary Neville (property magnate and entrepreneur post retirement from football).
- June Sarpong

Not sure that is fair about Lawrence. He wanted a united Arab nation the western powers wanted to carve up the middle east into zones of influence. At the post war conference he and the Arab parties were ignored by the West. Ironically so was Ho Ch Ming.

 

[RubinsCube]

Not sure that is fair about Lawrence. He wanted a united Arab nation the western powers wanted to carve up the middle east into zones of influence. At the post war conference he and the Arab parties were ignored by the West. Ironically so was Ho Ch Ming.

Agreed 100% around his view for an united Arab nation. He seems to have been very clearly inspired and drawn to the people and the culture. He also seems to have had very positive intentions from what I can tell.

He probably is guity of being unable to see the severity and impact of the Anglo-French government duplicity happening on his watch. Would British support really lead to genuine Arab independence given the colonial interests Britain had at the time? I know hindsight is 20:20 but I find that naive, hence why I had him in the educated fools category.

No matter what you and I might think, the man himself seems to have realized the fallout in the Middle East was a direct result of what happened on his watch: Lawrence of Arabia wouldn’t have been surprised by the rise of Isis | Giles Fraser: Loose canon

 

[ASCPFC]

Answer this in couplets. 1 and 1.....or 3 and 3. You get the idea. Below i have listed 6 and 6 to get the Galileo ball rolling.

The Smarts must not have either a) finished Higher education or b) benefited from much other privileged education. But did demonstrate much brilliance.

The Fools must have been educated AND at least have a significant number of people, in the room, who think them a fool.

Educated Fools

- Dan Quayle
- Henry viii
- Neville Chamberlain
- Crash Gordon......telling the financial-markets that he planned to dump a few hundred tons of gold.
- The board of directors of IBM, who gave the keys of the software World to Microsoft.
- Kaiser Wilhelm II


Street-smarts

- Steve Jobs
- Pablo Escobar
- Josef Stalin
- Leonardo Da Vinci
- Ken Dodd...left a legacy of 27 million quid.
- Ingvar Kamprad, apart from Churchill, not many alcoholics live to their 90's.

Dan Quayle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The 10 worst monarchs from British history

George IV's incredibly lavish, taxpayer-funded lifestyle that left him morbidly obese and riddled with gout, turned him into one of the most despised monarchs ever to sit on the throne

www.history.co.uk

Ken Dodd - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

your turn......

What's the basis of Henry VIII? Not sure he was a fool. Quite canny in some ways, perhaps not in others. I think it depends on how much you really know about the reign in general. Certainly more than one phase in that reign.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

What's the basis of Henry VIII? Not sure he was a fool. Quite canny in some ways, perhaps not in others. I think it depends on how much you really know about the reign in general. Certainly more than one phase in that reign.

yes Eagle, you do have a point. Substitute the word Fool for Lunatic. Now it fits. 6 wives. He turned into a murderous maniac in the end. He was defo well educated and very learned.

How many wives have you beheaded ?