WW2

[Stirlingsays]

I suppose it's time for another look back.

Got the idea after seeing this Watson video.

If those that died could only have seen what was done with their sacrifice.

Betrayed by traitors.

 

[johnny the eagle]

My old man, who went through the whole of WW2 in the Royal Navy and was badly wounded off Crete, said exactly the same. I served in the Army; why did I bother.

 

[Mark B]

You bother because the alternative is even worse at the time. You cannot always predict (except Afghanistan, that was completely predictable) what will come in the future and while in retrospect it may not seem end result, it is likely better then the alternative could have been.

Especially WW2, where Germany hadn't even got close to what its final plans were going to be in how they wanted to shape the world.

I got all excited because I thought we were going to have an interesting discussion on WW2 and instead we got a bait and switch disappointing.

So to make this drastically less depressing, give me your family war stories. I'm all ears (or eyes in this case.)

 

[silvertop]

Is this a reference to the huge sacrifice made by the allies to resist and defeat the spread of the abhorrent nationalist populism that almost consumed our Continent?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Is this a reference to the huge sacrifice made by the allies to resist and defeat the spread of the abhorrent nationalist populism that almost consumed our Continent?

A very Portishead post.

 

[georgenorman]

Is this a reference to the huge sacrifice made by the allies to resist and defeat the spread of the abhorrent nationalist populism that almost consumed our Continent?

Yes, the one where the Left were against fighting the Nazis because they had a pact with the Communists.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You bother because the alternative is even worse at the time. You cannot always predict (except Afghanistan, that was completely predictable) what will come in the future and while in retrospect it may not seem end result, it is likely better then the alternative could have been.

Especially WW2, where Germany hadn't even got close to what its final plans were going to be in how they wanted to shape the world.

I got all excited because I thought we were going to have an interesting discussion on WW2 and instead we got a bait and switch disappointing.

So to make this drastically less depressing, give me your family war stories. I'm all ears (or eyes in this case.)

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Opinions on what would have happened if Britain had taken a different course can be speculated on of course....it's counter-factual history and interesting in its own right.

But the video is less about that and more about the betrayal of those that did fight by the leaders of the generations that came after them.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

You bother because the alternative is even worse at the time.

In 1939 British men answered the call-up..... cos they were told they were at risk of losing their homes, their towns, their women, their nation to a hoard of foreign invading men.

Foreign language, foreign food, foreign music, foreign ideology, and a discontinuity of the bloodline akin to the Yamnaya invasion five thousand years ago - the British men either dead or enslaved, the British women 'taken'.

The irony being that Hitler probably didnt have much serious invasion plans for the UK. Certainly not in the mid 1930s. He would have liked to take out the UK's military hardware, but otherwise his interests lay on the mainland.

 

[Stirlingsays]

In 1939 British men answered the call-up..... cos they were told they were at risk of losing their homes, their towns, their women, their nation to a hoard of foreign invading men.

Foreign language, foreign food, foreign music, foreign ideology, and a discontinuity of the bloodline akin to the Yamnaya invasion five thousand years ago - the British men either dead or enslaved, the British women 'taken'.

The irony being that Hitler probably didnt have much serious invasion plans for the UK. Certainly not in the mid 1930s. He would have liked to take out the UK's military hardware, but otherwise his interests lay on the mainland.

It's still a controversial topic, mainly because the boomers and some of Gen X still seek to justify what has happened with 'something worse'. I have to admit, when I look at Britain's future and the replacement of the native population....I struggle how to see that.....What's worse for them than being replaced?

The boomers and Gen X didn't actually fight the war and here we hear from the horses mouth as it were. My grandfather and his brother both died in the early to mid 80s and they never spoke like those in the video., however the country was still largely the same.....I think they would be shocked and dismayed now.

If Hitler had beaten Britain he certainly wouldn't have turned London and Britain's main cities into majority non European cities......that's the utter betrayal reserved for us by our own leaders.

Hitler told pretty much what his plans were in his autobiography. It was about defeating Communism, which he.....like all those determined on war, viewed as existiental. He and other leaders were correct to be concerned about the spread of communism across Europe....Spain had gone communist and their movements were strong. But Hitler wanted to attack rather than wait for the USSR to do so.....That was his undoing.

Makes you laugh really because when you look at Europe now.....it's economically liberal and socially feminist.....the actual communists of Hitler's time were far more socially conservative than today.

But now, they actually want war with the Russians.

You live long enough and you see everything reverse.