US Politics

[Stansferret]

Incredible.

I literally said about both sides doing this bollocks and how it affects voter apathy and you STILL charge in with he said she said whataboutery.

Student level stuff
🤣

I know what you’re saying. However you dismiss all the crap Trump has done. Then blame the Dems for wanting justice. Simple really but your fascist mindset can’t get it. It’s hilarious that you STILL take Trump seriously. Moron level stuff.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think it partly right.

I have some sympathy for those who felt disenfranchised to not bother turning up to vote. Suddenly, somebody pops up who has a version of charisma, who appears to have a folksy connection with them, who says what has not been dared said and who is not the "establishment" who have run things for ever.

Years pass. Support becomes entrenched and, more importantly, any voices of opposition are condemned as "anti American" "communist" and so on. Them and us.

There are, therefore, 3 binding connections (other than low intelligence) I see that still keep 1/3 of Americans supporting him.

1. To switch support means abandoning Trump. That accepts they were wrong to support him in the first place. That is a hard pill to swallow.

2. Comments criticizing him are "fake news" and they view only echo chamber sources of news (if at all).

3. His crown may have slipped, but look who will get in if we don't vote for him.

The problem with your analysis is that if they didn't vote Trump, they got Hilary 'glass ceiling' Clinton and ....oh feck, I can't even remember her name.....that salad waffling drunk in 24.

As for criticism over Trump 2.0.....Yeah, it should have been DeSantis.

But it was the Democrats and who really made the comeback of Trump inevitable.....they couldn't let it go.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I know what you’re saying. However you dismiss all the crap Trump has done. Then blame the Dems for wanting justice. Simple really but your fascist mindset can’t get it. It’s hilarious that you STILL take Trump seriously. Moron level stuff.

No one who feels the need to write mid sentence words in capitals has any serious right to call anybody else moron-level.

 

[Stansferret]

No one who feels the need to write mid sentence words in capitals has any serious right to call anybody else moron-level.

Really is that the best you have?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Really is that the best you have?

Sadly, it’s one of the better ones!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The problem with your analysis is that if they didn't vote Trump, they got Hilary 'glass ceiling' Clinton and ....oh feck, I can't even remember her name.....that salad waffling drunk in 24.

As for criticism over Trump 2.0.....Yeah, it should have been DeSantis.

But it was the Democrats and who really made the comeback of Trump inevitable.....they couldn't let it go.

You still believe that? You are seriously gullible!

The Democrats had nothing to do with it. Only the law did. The Democrats undoubtedly knew that Trump being prosecuted would enable him to portray himself as a martyr, but they couldn’t interfere. They aren’t Trump. They don’t politicise the Justice Department or lean on State Attorneys.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I understand that “The Daily Beast” may not be some posters here favourite source for information on the situation in the USA but indulge me. I found this analysis deeply concerning because the guy offering it is no fool. He has been observing Trump for many years and is a recognised expert in his field. Please take the time to check it out.

Why a Defeated Trump Is More ‘Dangerous’ Than Ever

“He doesn't care about his party or his country or anyone else,” Dr. John Gartner says.

joannacoles.substack.com

 

[Stirlingsays]

Really is that the best you have?

Stating reality doesn't require effort.

 

[Stirlingsays]

You still believe that? You are seriously gullible!

The Democrats had nothing to do with it. Only the law did. The Democrats undoubtedly knew that Trump being prosecuted would enable him to portray himself as a martyr, but they couldn’t interfere. They aren’t Trump. They don’t politicise the Justice Department or lean on State Attorneys.

I'm the gullible one?

Sigh.

 

[silvertop]

The problem with your analysis is that if they didn't vote Trump, they got Hilary 'glass ceiling' Clinton and ....oh feck, I can't even remember her name.....that salad waffling drunk in 24.

As for criticism over Trump 2.0.....Yeah, it should have been DeSantis.

But it was the Democrats and who really made the comeback of Trump inevitable.....they couldn't let it go.

See my point 3.

 

[silvertop]

You still believe that? You are seriously gullible!

The Democrats had nothing to do with it. Only the law did. The Democrats undoubtedly knew that Trump being prosecuted would enable him to portray himself as a martyr, but they couldn’t interfere. They aren’t Trump. They don’t politicise the Justice Department or lean on State Attorneys.

I'm perhaps surprisingly with Stirling on this.

The New York prosecution in particular was by a political DA who pretty much confirmed he was gunning for Trump.

All the prosecutions had political creatures behind them and all were of a certain hue.

The Democrats shot themselves with both barrels on that one. It played wholly into the "elites" populist mythology followed by his base who saw Trump as heroic victim.

I sincerely hope they wait until after the general election before they come for him again; but I suspect it more likely they will engineer a repeat of history.

Dumb.

 

[Glazier#1]

No one who feels the need to write mid sentence words in capitals has any serious right to call anybody else moron-level.

Downright silly comment.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Downright silly comment.

Coming from yourself that's like an endorsement.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I'm the gullible one?

Sigh.

Yes you are. That you are in sublime ignorance of that doesn’t make it untrue.

Your self denial is always interesting to observe.

I used to hope as events unfolded you would be forced to realise how wrong you had been but even as everything I have ever said about Trump has been, and continues to be, laid bare in plain sight, you remain in denial.

 

[Spindle]

I know what you’re saying. However you dismiss all the crap Trump has done. Then blame the Dems for wanting justice. Simple really but your fascist mindset can’t get it. It’s hilarious that you STILL take Trump seriously. Moron level stuff.

Except, once again, I haven't. And for the third time, it's about them making it their FIRST actions and priorities.

Your comprehension is terrible.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I'm perhaps surprisingly with Stirling on this.

The New York prosecution in particular was by a political DA who pretty much confirmed he was gunning for Trump.

All the prosecutions had political creatures behind them and all were of a certain hue.

The Democrats shot themselves with both barrels on that one. It played wholly into the "elites" populist mythology followed by his base who saw Trump as heroic victim.

I sincerely hope they wait until after the general election before they come for him again; but I suspect it more likely they will engineer a repeat of history.

Dumb.

I think you are wrong and have unfortunately accepted the Trump narrative. The NY State Attorney was a lady, Letitia James. For sure she was a Democrat but the State had been wanting to indict Trump for years over his actions there. They weren’t “gunning” for him. They were seeking justice.

The Democrats, at national level, weren’t involved and should they have tried to be would have been rightly accused of interference. In fact they would have been much more inclined to try to stop the prosecutions because they knew what the outcome would be.

The Democrats certainly got shot in the foot, but by circumstances not by carelessness.

The same will happen now. If the law demands action then action will be taken. Politics cannot be allowed to interfere, even when the electorate falls for fake martyrdom.

 

[Putitout]

I think you are wrong and have unfortunately accepted the Trump narrative. The NY State Attorney was a lady, Letitia James. For sure she was a Democrat but the State had been wanting to indict Trump for years over his actions there. They weren’t “gunning” for him. They were seeking justice.

The Democrats, at national level, weren’t involved and should they have tried to be would have been rightly accused of interference. In fact they would have been much more inclined to try to stop the prosecutions because they knew what the outcome would be.

The Democrats certainly got shot in the foot, but by circumstances not by carelessness.

The same will happen now. If the law demands action then action will be taken. Politics cannot be allowed to interfere, even when the electorate falls for fake martyrdom.

The problem being, politics does interfere. who is the law? So many of the main players are a political choice .

 

[Glazier#1]

Coming from yourself that's like an endorsement.

O course it is, Lefty. heheh

 

[silvertop]

I think you are wrong and have unfortunately accepted the Trump narrative. The NY State Attorney was a lady, Letitia James. For sure she was a Democrat but the State had been wanting to indict Trump for years over his actions there. They weren’t “gunning” for him. They were seeking justice.

The Democrats, at national level, weren’t involved and should they have tried to be would have been rightly accused of interference. In fact they would have been much more inclined to try to stop the prosecutions because they knew what the outcome would be.

The Democrats certainly got shot in the foot, but by circumstances not by carelessness.

The same will happen now. If the law demands action then action will be taken. Politics cannot be allowed to interfere, even when the electorate falls for fake martyrdom.

But they did and that is the problem.

I do not doubt that there was genuine cause in all the Trump prosecutions. They were far from political fictions as we see in e.g. Russia. However, one word: resources.

Vast sums from a limited pot were spent on these prosecutions. A choice was made by those authorities where the opportunity cost translated into less being spent on other prosecutions.

The important word there is "choice". Sure it is nice to see a jackass like Trump squirming and being held to some account. But try telling that to victims of serious crime whose case must be cheaply plea bargained away; to a rape victim who now has to wait another year from her case to come to trial; to cases collapsing as key witnesses withdraw over the passage of time.

An active decision was made to divert significant resources to Trump and away from the vast bundle of "smaller" prosecutions that had to give way. That was a political decision. I don't see what else it could be.

 

[Glazier#1]

Coming from yourself that's like an endorsement.

The common curse of mankind, folly and ignorance, be thine in great revenue!