Tottenham vs. Crystal Palace match thread

[NEILLO]

I have run a very successful company in London for many years. Parish has been incompetent. We are going down without swift action.

You do sound like the Saviour this club needs.

Swift action ? You're right, that's why I gave you the contact details to get your bid in.

It's a shame you won't commit

 

[MarkA333]

You do sound like the Saviour this club needs.

Swift action ? You're right, that's why I gave you the contact details to get your bid in.

It's a shame you won't commit

I live in the Cotswolds with my Labrador and my racehorses. Couldn’t think of anything worse than putting on a suit and sitting next to someone that can’t tie a tie properly. Every match. Happy to be advisory. For free. Not 2 million. Also, I did try to reach out to him through a close personal contact about 6 weeks ago but he refused.

 

[Donald T Trump]

agreed... but lets at least acknowledge that Parish is paid a kings ransom for that stress and nobody puts a gun to his head to do it.

And just because some of us don't go to the games does not make us any less fans. I would love to go to more games but circumstances do not allow and it gets a bit f***ing much that fans who stand on the side getting cold are worth more than those that have been there, done it and now can't. I've been going palace since 1979 never missed a game for years but I've not been a regular for a good few years now. Does that mean I should f*** off and support Millwall or something?

Mate lot of us have done our time doesn’t mean this wonderful club is not in our blood CUT ME THROUGH I’M RED AND BLUE

 

[Nutmegyeti]

I have run a very successful company in London for many years. Parish has been incompetent. We are going down without swift action.

Apparently, you've been a Palace season ticket holder for 52 years, in which case you'll remember both the Simon Jordan years and, indeed, the Mark Goldberg years.

Now, if you want to have a conversation about how to run a football club incompetently, let's start with Mark Goldberg, shall we? Because Jordan was a shining beacon of corporate competence by comparison, so what does that make Parish?

What's even more entertaining is that just two days ago you were arguing that we've got more than enough quality in the squad to get ourselves out of the current situation, provided the players are deployed correctly.

Still, fair play to you. Not only have you apparently held a season ticket for 52 years, you're also a heart surgeon, you run a successful company, and you've supposedly got enough money to buy Parish's share of Palace.

Now, I appreciate that taking these claims in isolation might be doing you a disservice. However, having looked through the tone and content of your posts, I'm beginning to suspect there might be just a small amount of bullshit involved here.

Still, that's the beauty of message boards. Everybody gets an opinion, and apparently everybody gets to invent a rather spectacular CV to go with it.

What I particularly find amusing is how dismissive you are of Parish, the man who actually managed to put together the consortium that bought Palace in the first place. And do you know what? The money he brought to the table came from businesses he'd successfully built and run.

Incidentally, since your entire argument seems to revolve around Parish being some sort of corporate fool, running a successful business and running a football club are two very different animals. Football is an industry where spending enormous sums of money guarantees precisely nothing, except perhaps an enormous bill when things go wrong.

And let's look at what Palace have actually achieved under Parish. Before his involvement, we'd won precisely zero FA Cups. We've since won one, reached another final, and spent more consecutive seasons in the Premier League than we'd managed in our entire history beforehand.

That's not a bad return for someone who's apparently so hopeless at running a football club.

Do I think he's got everything right? Absolutely not. Do I think he's made mistakes? Certainly. But I'd rather have Parish overseeing a financially sustainable Palace than some of the extraordinary ownership arrangements we've seen elsewhere. Whether it's the financial controversies surrounding Manchester City, the revolving door and seemingly endless spending at Chelsea, or owners elsewhere leveraging their clubs with levels of debt that are simply unsustainable, I'm not convinced those are models we should be aspiring to.

The reality is that we're a relatively small club in South London. We probably achieved Premier League stability considerably sooner than anyone realistically expected, and we've had to build the infrastructure around that success as we've gone along.

Interestingly, I did the Palace stadium tour earlier this year, and one of the things that stood out was the discussion around the academy. Developing an academy capable of consistently producing first-team players can take 15 to 20 years. It's a long-term investment, not something that produces instant results. And that's before you consider that the biggest clubs can effectively stockpile the best young talent, while players and their agents now wield enormous contractual power.

None of this is straightforward, and pretending that the solution is simply to spend more money or replace the chairman is rather simplistic.

Do I think Parish is perfect? No. Do I think he's made mistakes? Plenty. But I also think he's demonstrated something that's been conspicuously absent from various periods of Palace's history: stability, financial discipline and a willingness to build something for the long term.

And whatever you think of him personally, he's been a constant presence throughout the most sustained period of top-flight football in the club's history.

You don't have to like him. You don't even have to agree with his decisions. But dismissing everything he's achieved as corporate incompetence is a rather peculiar argument, particularly from someone who claims to have witnessed the Goldberg years firsthand.

Then again, given your remarkable career in cardiac surgery, your successful business empire, your apparent capacity to purchase a Premier League shareholding and the extraordinary amount of time you find to spend arguing on a football message board, perhaps you're simply operating on an intellectual level the rest of us haven't quite reached.

 

[MarkA333]

Apparently, you've been a Palace season ticket holder for 52 years, in which case you'll remember both the Simon Jordan years and, indeed, the Mark Goldberg years.

Now, if you want to have a conversation about how to run a football club incompetently, let's start with Mark Goldberg, shall we? Because Jordan was a shining beacon of corporate competence by comparison, so what does that make Parish?

What's even more entertaining is that just two days ago you were arguing that we've got more than enough quality in the squad to get ourselves out of the current situation, provided the players are deployed correctly.

Still, fair play to you. Not only have you apparently held a season ticket for 52 years, you're also a heart surgeon, you run a successful company, and you've supposedly got enough money to buy Parish's share of Palace.

Now, I appreciate that taking these claims in isolation might be doing you a disservice. However, having looked through the tone and content of your posts, I'm beginning to suspect there might be just a small amount of bullshit involved here.

Still, that's the beauty of message boards. Everybody gets an opinion, and apparently everybody gets to invent a rather spectacular CV to go with it.

What I particularly find amusing is how dismissive you are of Parish, the man who actually managed to put together the consortium that bought Palace in the first place. And do you know what? The money he brought to the table came from businesses he'd successfully built and run.

Incidentally, since your entire argument seems to revolve around Parish being some sort of corporate fool, running a successful business and running a football club are two very different animals. Football is an industry where spending enormous sums of money guarantees precisely nothing, except perhaps an enormous bill when things go wrong.

And let's look at what Palace have actually achieved under Parish. Before his involvement, we'd won precisely zero FA Cups. We've since won one, reached another final, and spent more consecutive seasons in the Premier League than we'd managed in our entire history beforehand.

That's not a bad return for someone who's apparently so hopeless at running a football club.

Do I think he's got everything right? Absolutely not. Do I think he's made mistakes? Certainly. But I'd rather have Parish overseeing a financially sustainable Palace than some of the extraordinary ownership arrangements we've seen elsewhere. Whether it's the financial controversies surrounding Manchester City, the revolving door and seemingly endless spending at Chelsea, or owners elsewhere leveraging their clubs with levels of debt that are simply unsustainable, I'm not convinced those are models we should be aspiring to.

The reality is that we're a relatively small club in South London. We probably achieved Premier League stability considerably sooner than anyone realistically expected, and we've had to build the infrastructure around that success as we've gone along.

Interestingly, I did the Palace stadium tour earlier this year, and one of the things that stood out was the discussion around the academy. Developing an academy capable of consistently producing first-team players can take 15 to 20 years. It's a long-term investment, not something that produces instant results. And that's before you consider that the biggest clubs can effectively stockpile the best young talent, while players and their agents now wield enormous contractual power.

None of this is straightforward, and pretending that the solution is simply to spend more money or replace the chairman is rather simplistic.

Do I think Parish is perfect? No. Do I think he's made mistakes? Plenty. But I also think he's demonstrated something that's been conspicuously absent from various periods of Palace's history: stability, financial discipline and a willingness to build something for the long term.

And whatever you think of him personally, he's been a constant presence throughout the most sustained period of top-flight football in the club's history.

You don't have to like him. You don't even have to agree with his decisions. But dismissing everything he's achieved as corporate incompetence is a rather peculiar argument, particularly from someone who claims to have witnessed the Goldberg years firsthand.

Then again, given your remarkable career in cardiac surgery, your successful business empire, your apparent capacity to purchase a Premier League shareholding and the extraordinary amount of time you find to spend arguing on a football message board, perhaps you're simply operating on an intellectual level the rest of us haven't quite reached.

Yes. I acknowledge it’s hard for you to comprehend this. Also between 1989 and 2004, I was working so hard that I could only watch Palace play sporadically.

 

[Nutmegyeti]

Yes. I acknowledge it’s hard for you to comprehend this. Also between 1989 and 2004, I was working so hard that I could only watch Palace play sporadically.

Sorry for the delay in replying, I was rather busy tugging my forelock for my wealthy betters.

It really is a shame that the consortium didn't get in touch with you back in 2010. After all, you must be one of the wealthiest Palace supporters in Britain, and with your extraordinary business acumen, surgical expertise and 52 years of season ticket ownership, you'd have been an invaluable addition.

Just imagine, we could have had the benefit of your considerable wisdom for the last 16 years. What a tragic missed opportunity for the club.

 

[Username]

Apparently, you've been a Palace season ticket holder for 52 years, in which case you'll remember both the Simon Jordan years and, indeed, the Mark Goldberg years.

Now, if you want to have a conversation about how to run a football club incompetently, let's start with Mark Goldberg, shall we? Because Jordan was a shining beacon of corporate competence by comparison, so what does that make Parish?

What's even more entertaining is that just two days ago you were arguing that we've got more than enough quality in the squad to get ourselves out of the current situation, provided the players are deployed correctly.

Still, fair play to you. Not only have you apparently held a season ticket for 52 years, you're also a heart surgeon, you run a successful company, and you've supposedly got enough money to buy Parish's share of Palace.

Now, I appreciate that taking these claims in isolation might be doing you a disservice. However, having looked through the tone and content of your posts, I'm beginning to suspect there might be just a small amount of bullshit involved here.

Still, that's the beauty of message boards. Everybody gets an opinion, and apparently everybody gets to invent a rather spectacular CV to go with it.

What I particularly find amusing is how dismissive you are of Parish, the man who actually managed to put together the consortium that bought Palace in the first place. And do you know what? The money he brought to the table came from businesses he'd successfully built and run.

Incidentally, since your entire argument seems to revolve around Parish being some sort of corporate fool, running a successful business and running a football club are two very different animals. Football is an industry where spending enormous sums of money guarantees precisely nothing, except perhaps an enormous bill when things go wrong.

And let's look at what Palace have actually achieved under Parish. Before his involvement, we'd won precisely zero FA Cups. We've since won one, reached another final, and spent more consecutive seasons in the Premier League than we'd managed in our entire history beforehand.

That's not a bad return for someone who's apparently so hopeless at running a football club.

Do I think he's got everything right? Absolutely not. Do I think he's made mistakes? Certainly. But I'd rather have Parish overseeing a financially sustainable Palace than some of the extraordinary ownership arrangements we've seen elsewhere. Whether it's the financial controversies surrounding Manchester City, the revolving door and seemingly endless spending at Chelsea, or owners elsewhere leveraging their clubs with levels of debt that are simply unsustainable, I'm not convinced those are models we should be aspiring to.

The reality is that we're a relatively small club in South London. We probably achieved Premier League stability considerably sooner than anyone realistically expected, and we've had to build the infrastructure around that success as we've gone along.

Interestingly, I did the Palace stadium tour earlier this year, and one of the things that stood out was the discussion around the academy. Developing an academy capable of consistently producing first-team players can take 15 to 20 years. It's a long-term investment, not something that produces instant results. And that's before you consider that the biggest clubs can effectively stockpile the best young talent, while players and their agents now wield enormous contractual power.

None of this is straightforward, and pretending that the solution is simply to spend more money or replace the chairman is rather simplistic.

Do I think Parish is perfect? No. Do I think he's made mistakes? Plenty. But I also think he's demonstrated something that's been conspicuously absent from various periods of Palace's history: stability, financial discipline and a willingness to build something for the long term.

And whatever you think of him personally, he's been a constant presence throughout the most sustained period of top-flight football in the club's history.

You don't have to like him. You don't even have to agree with his decisions. But dismissing everything he's achieved as corporate incompetence is a rather peculiar argument, particularly from someone who claims to have witnessed the Goldberg years firsthand.

Then again, given your remarkable career in cardiac surgery, your successful business empire, your apparent capacity to purchase a Premier League shareholding and the extraordinary amount of time you find to spend arguing on a football message board, perhaps you're simply operating on an intellectual level the rest of us haven't quite reached.

I think you’ll find it was race horse s*** actually.

 

[MarkA333]

Sorry for the delay in replying, I was rather busy tugging my forelock for my wealthy betters.

It really is a shame that the consortium didn't get in touch with you back in 2010. After all, you must be one of the wealthiest Palace supporters in Britain, and with your extraordinary business acumen, surgical expertise and 52 years of season ticket ownership, you'd have been an invaluable addition.

Just imagine, we could have had the benefit of your considerable wisdom for the last 16 years. What a tragic missed opportunity for the club.

Nearly funny but not. Let’s just enjoy two proper teams play now.

 

[DenTyler]

I am not applying for the job. I am a heart surgeon. I could afford it and I would do a better job because I am intelligent like a number of people here. Parish did a very bad job in recruitment after selling Eze, Olise, Lacroix, Guehi and Munoz. Staring you in the face. We got JSL and Brennan.

To be fair… if your on here telling people your this and that and can afford this and that…. It is a bit… unpalatable. In the words of dear old Victor Meldrew, I don’t know what language you are speaking, but it appears to be bollocks. Rich people don’t feel the need to tell people they are rich.

 

[MarkA333]

To be fair… if your on here telling people your this and that and can afford this and that…. It is a bit… unpalatable. In the words of dear old Victor Meldrew, I don’t know what language you are speaking, but it appears to be bollocks. Rich people don’t feel the need to tell people they are rich.

I didn’t. I just said I could. Anyway. Enough.

 

[Eden Eagle]

Just watching the Liverpool game - a Pool player treads down the achilles of Odegard - free kick only not even a booking- where is the consistency?

 

[silvertop]

Rubbish weekend to be a palace fan

Men beaten with our star striker out for 3 games while the Weed beat man city away.

Unstoppable all conquering U18 had a CB sent off in the first 15 mins (pattern?) and we only scraped a draw away to the Weed.

And the women just lost away also to the Weed.

I bought some swiss cheese from a food festival just to cheer me up.

 

[Runningman]

Just watching the Liverpool game - a Pool player treads down the achilles of Odegard - free kick only not even a booking- where is the consistency?

It’s unbelievable. The inconsistency stinks.

 

[DenTyler]

I didn’t. I just said I could. Anyway. Enough.

My apologies and I meant no offence.
Anyway I can’t get into an argument on here, I’ve got my private jet waiting at Biggin Hill staffed entirely by naked hot ex playmates whose only desire is to serve me fine wine and cheeseburgers on my trip back to Tracy Island where I own a state of the art disaster rescue service…it’s Fab.

 

[Nutmegyeti]

My apologies and I meant no offence.
Anyway I can’t get into an argument on here, I’ve got my private jet waiting at Biggin Hill staffed entirely by naked hot ex playmates whose only desire is to serve me fine wine and cheeseburgers on my trip back to Tracy Island where I own a state of the art disaster rescue service…it’s Fab.

New money. peh

 

[Eden Eagle]

Just watching the Liverpool game - a Pool player treads down the achilles of Odegard - free kick only not even a booking- where is the consistency?

And the same player does exactly the same thing again this time on Havertz and still no card at all!

 

[VinceHilaire]

I’m not a man of great intelligence
I’m not a man of great wealth
I’ve never played professional football
The only teams I have managed were my son’s junior teams.

But, even though I have many failings…. What I am confident about is Sage is NOT the right manager for Palace.

JPM ruined the game, but Sage did not really have a clue how to re-set the team once we were down to 10 players. And that is what he is paid to do! He should have changed formation, brought on experienced players from the bench - and sadly he just stood there, scratching his head

 

[park the bus]

Rubbish weekend to be a palace fan

Men beaten with our star striker out for 3 games while the Weed beat man city away.

Unstoppable all conquering U18 had a CB sent off in the first 15 mins (pattern?) and we only scraped a draw away to the Weed.

And the women just lost away also to the Weed.

I bought some swiss cheese from a food festival just to cheer me up.

Did it have holes in it like our defence?

 

[mtp1958]

Obviously played and coached - I could go on but I won’t.. I know you like to say you were a defender and you study every game … guess what they do get drilled as professional players and do get coached/instructed from the sidelines.
Common sense would suggest what you’re saying about adapting to the circumstances but they are so rigid as to what they are being instructed to do! They look across for instructions more these days than ever, that’s been the same under our last few managers, it’s not new to professional football. Our defence have no confidence and appear to rely solely on what they are being told to do in set pieces. Next time you are at a game, watch the players, Sage walks back to the dug out and the defence coach comes out and starts organising them - without fail. If that’s not the case, then I happily admit I’m wrong.

Understand what your saying but if players cant adjust to situations whats the point of them claiming there professional footballers. They are in the position to see best not 50yrds away , there's being drilled to hold position and being told how to adjust . If your right then football isnt worth watching if players need to be told what to do on 50k + . You you are training people like that no wonder defence is never in sync. And sage has only been in charge since July with very little practice time with the squad . Defenders look for dangers around that hasn't changed

 

[cryrst]

I am not applying for the job. I am a heart surgeon. I could afford it and I would do a better job because I am intelligent like a number of people here. Parish did a very bad job in recruitment after selling Eze, Olise, Lacroix, Guehi and Munoz. Staring you in the face. We got JSL and Brennan.

TBH if intelligence is judged by who you support you clearly are lacking a little 🤔