Sage in or out

Sage in or out

  • In

    Votes: 105 40.4%
  • Out

    Votes: 115 44.2%
  • Sit on the fence

    Votes: 40 15.4%

  • Total voters
    260
It is worth noting that Sage's win percentage is 38.5% which is only eclipsed by Glasner in the last 30 years when Dave Basset had his only season in charge. Perhaps it shows how the fans expectations have changed.
Yeah I think that’s a fair point. As the 5YP described it, we’ve had a bit of feast or famine - wins or bad losses without many hard fought draws, that helps the win percentage a bit more than it helps the league table.
 
Coventry 2 up and having a good go under Lampard, which means we're in the bottom 3 under Sage. Sage hasn't been dealt the best hand, but that's no excuse for the way he's gone about setting up his team. Points needed against Spurs or goodbye.
 
Coventry 2 up and having a good go under Lampard, which means we're in the bottom 3 under Sage. Sage hasn't been dealt the best hand, but that's no excuse for the way he's gone about setting up his team. Points needed against Spurs or goodbye.

Especailly as the sunderland chairman and mary knickers will have their fingers hovering over the 'sack' button!! Along with parish It may be the first
One to press it stays up!!
 
It is worth noting that Sage's win percentage is 38.5% which is only eclipsed by Glasner in the last 30 years when Dave Basset had his only season in charge. Perhaps it shows how the fans expectations have changed.
We've won 2 of 8 league games, so I presume this win percentage includes cup wins? Obviously a win is a win, but I'm not sure the stat tells the story in this instance.
 
I've been thinking about the difference between a defensive approach and defensive organisation.

Taking a more defensive approach (sitting 11 men behind the ball in your own half all the time) is not guaranteed to improve defensive performances by itself. It might even make it worse, as you invite more pressure.

Defensive organisation (everyone having a clear understanding of where to be at what point, what their jobs are, and how to work in conjunction with those around them) is what matters.

A few weeks ago it seemed to me that Sage's chosen approach was to commit bodies to attacking positions, then press the opposition high up the pitch when we lost the ball. I thought that was a highly questionable approach given the type and quality of our players. A poor fit, whether or not Sage was any good at coaching it.

After Fulham away in the league I thought perhaps Sage would persevere with that approach, and we would see if he could successfully coach it into the players. Organisation would follow approach, over time. Hopefully.

More recently I've found it harder to see what the approach is. We pressed Besiktas ferociously for 45 minutes. We dropped off very deep against Fulham, at least in the first half. Mostly, though, it's been quite non-descript.

I wonder if Sage has deliberately moved away from his original approach (hard to blame him) but, in so doing, lost his way when it comes to organisation? It can't be easy to drill a team into shape if you are moving around between approaches looking for something to stick.

I don't care what approach he chooses (although I really doubt pressing is wise). I want to see signs of coherent organisation. I want players to look like they know what they ought to be doing, even if they fail.

I'll take defeat against spurs and Liverpool if I see a clear plan it terms of defensive detail.

Sage needs to be clear in his mind on what it looks like, though, before we can ever find out if he can coach it.
 
With regard to your final sentence, if we lose to Spurs and Liverpool we're likely to see a new defensive approach- but under a new manager.
 
The problem with Sage is that defensively, we look an absolute shambles. We use zonal marking, and virtually every time a ball comes into our box, we look like we’re about to concede.

Then there’s the obsession with playing out from the back when we’re clearly not built for it. In theory, we’ve got two big strikers who are both capable of holding the ball up, so why aren’t we using that?

Look at the goal in the FA Cup final against Man City. We’d spent 20 minutes sitting deep, then Chris Richards played the ball forward to Mateta, he played it to Kamada, Munoz made the overlapping run, and we scored. Simple, effective football.

Was there any danger of that ball immediately coming back at us and ending up in our net three seconds later after Richards played it out? - No. Yet we insist on taking ridiculous risks playing out from the back which naive football.

My issue with Sage is that he then stands on the touchline looking completely gormless, seemingly wondering why the same tactics aren’t working.

Why aren’t we marking man for man at corners? Why aren’t we packing out the midfield to give the defence some protection? Why are we persisting with a system that clearly doesn’t suit the players we’ve got?

I’m not a Premier League manager, so presumably I’m missing something.

Then again, I’m increasingly unconvinced that Sage is a Premier League manager either.
 

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