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[Willo]

Good to see no complaints about the raving.

I was partial to some "Raving" in my lothario days. 😛 😍

 

[mtp1958]

True but we've conceded more, which means losses and lack of forward momentum overall. A team that wins 1-0 will have scored less than a team that loses 2-3 but will be much higher up the table. I think you are clutching at straws and trying to put some positive spin on what has been a poor campaign thus far.

Trust me ive watched our defence and started shouting at the TV. I have stopped worrying about the forward line but . All our defencive problems are mostly the players in the back line not doing the simple things . Like looking at the possible runners. Telling each other we are out of position . You know the saying. You can lead a horse to water . Well the back line shouldn't need telling by Sage . None of us would get away with it at work not doing our job. Wasn't putting a positive spin on it , just pointing out half a statement . Which you get alot on here . Show the negatives not the positives all the time

 

[JessieJ]

Good thread following a good initial post. This set me thinking as to what success is for CP in general. I've followed this club since the mid-1960's and have therefore suffered more stress than joy. Addressing the pressing issue at hand, "time", of course it is a major problem- It doesn't stand still and as other clubs around us i.e. Fulham have started to pinch points we are firmly in the mire at albeit after just 7/8 matches. With Spurs imho it was only a matter of time. CPFC are simply not financially structured to achieve consistant success. The club doesn't habe the earning capability to buy assets (players) to strengthen or replace sold or retiring assets. Before there is a clamour of objection repeating the obvious like "we cannot continue to sell our best players and expect to be successful" let's look at those that have left in the last decade. Apart from the obvious recent candidates Eze, Guehi, Lacroix, Munoz, Olise the decade list is very thin. Of these 5, the first 3 had made it clear they wanted to go, Munoz has probably peaked in 24/25 and Olise, well that was obvious. A minor diversion here, Eze has certainly not improved and may not make the next England squad, Guehi's form has dipped so is the grass really greener? Yes they get paid more and get more silverware but have they become better??? Guess that is all about what one calls better!
So how does a club that can't earn enough compete in the top league if the structure i.e. stadium capacity, level of support to fill a stadium twice the size of Selhurst, is not present? The answer is simple; by trading assets. None of the above mentioned and none of those on a googled list sold for €20m + over the last decade have been established players at the time of acquisition. Therefore, all risks. The current crop of risks, of of which there are in my view, an unhealthy multitude, may or may come good.
As somebody wrote before, the 25/26 squad started to come together 6 years ago and luck or design, or both, it worked out very nicely thank you. The icing on the cake was Glasner appearing when he did, using his rigid tactics that temporarily confused the loadsamoney brigade and was subsequently countered. Now we have 11 new players, a new trainer and despite the famoliar 3-5-2-1, somewhat new tactics. This all coupled with having no time. Even if the ground enlargement eventually does happen and it can be filled thus improving matchday income and ancilliary earnings we will still be sprinting to stand still.
In summary, hard as it is to accept, I think success is actually remaining in the EPL and occasionally threatening a top half finish/going deep into cups. Yes, I am worried that time has caught up with us and yes i fear that the tactics employed Mr Sage are very risky, and that is being polite. I can but hope that i am being too pessimistic and not for the first time.

 

[JHB]

Good thread following a good initial post. This set me thinking as to what success is for CP in general. I've followed this club since the mid-1960's and have therefore suffered more stress than joy. Addressing the pressing issue at hand, "time", of course it is a major problem- It doesn't stand still and as other clubs around us i.e. Fulham have started to pinch points we are firmly in the mire at albeit after just 7/8 matches. With Spurs imho it was only a matter of time. CPFC are simply not financially structured to achieve consistant success. The club doesn't habe the earning capability to buy assets (players) to strengthen or replace sold or retiring assets. Before there is a clamour of objection repeating the obvious like "we cannot continue to sell our best players and expect to be successful" let's look at those that have left in the last decade. Apart from the obvious recent candidates Eze, Guehi, Lacroix, Munoz, Olise the decade list is very thin. Of these 5, the first 3 had made it clear they wanted to go, Munoz has probably peaked in 24/25 and Olise, well that was obvious. A minor diversion here, Eze has certainly not improved and may not make the next England squad, Guehi's form has dipped so is the grass really greener? Yes they get paid more and get more silverware but have they become better??? Guess that is all about what one calls better!
So how does a club that can't earn enough compete in the top league if the structure i.e. stadium capacity, level of support to fill a stadium twice the size of Selhurst, is not present? The answer is simple; by trading assets. None of the above mentioned and none of those on a googled list sold for €20m + over the last decade have been established players at the time of acquisition. Therefore, all risks. The current crop of risks, of of which there are in my view, an unhealthy multitude, may or may come good.
As somebody wrote before, the 25/26 squad started to come together 6 years ago and luck or design, or both, it worked out very nicely thank you. The icing on the cake was Glasner appearing when he did, using his rigid tactics that temporarily confused the loadsamoney brigade and was subsequently countered. Now we have 11 new players, a new trainer and despite the famoliar 3-5-2-1, somewhat new tactics. This all coupled with having no time. Even if the ground enlargement eventually does happen and it can be filled thus improving matchday income and ancilliary earnings we will still be sprinting to stand still.
In summary, hard as it is to accept, I think success is actually remaining in the EPL and occasionally threatening a top half finish/going deep into cups. Yes, I am worried that time has caught up with us and yes i fear that the tactics employed Mr Sage are very risky, and that is being polite. I can but hope that i am being too pessimistic and not for the first time.

Good post. Very balanced and completely agree success for us is staying up. For a clear majority of my time supporting Palace staying in the top division for any length of time seemed like an unattainable dream let alone winning multiple trophies

 

[PatrickA]

Good thread following a good initial post. This set me thinking as to what success is for CP in general. I've followed this club since the mid-1960's and have therefore suffered more stress than joy. Addressing the pressing issue at hand, "time", of course it is a major problem- It doesn't stand still and as other clubs around us i.e. Fulham have started to pinch points we are firmly in the mire at albeit after just 7/8 matches. With Spurs imho it was only a matter of time. CPFC are simply not financially structured to achieve consistant success. The club doesn't habe the earning capability to buy assets (players) to strengthen or replace sold or retiring assets. Before there is a clamour of objection repeating the obvious like "we cannot continue to sell our best players and expect to be successful" let's look at those that have left in the last decade. Apart from the obvious recent candidates Eze, Guehi, Lacroix, Munoz, Olise the decade list is very thin. Of these 5, the first 3 had made it clear they wanted to go, Munoz has probably peaked in 24/25 and Olise, well that was obvious. A minor diversion here, Eze has certainly not improved and may not make the next England squad, Guehi's form has dipped so is the grass really greener? Yes they get paid more and get more silverware but have they become better??? Guess that is all about what one calls better!
So how does a club that can't earn enough compete in the top league if the structure i.e. stadium capacity, level of support to fill a stadium twice the size of Selhurst, is not present? The answer is simple; by trading assets. None of the above mentioned and none of those on a googled list sold for €20m + over the last decade have been established players at the time of acquisition. Therefore, all risks. The current crop of risks, of of which there are in my view, an unhealthy multitude, may or may come good.
As somebody wrote before, the 25/26 squad started to come together 6 years ago and luck or design, or both, it worked out very nicely thank you. The icing on the cake was Glasner appearing when he did, using his rigid tactics that temporarily confused the loadsamoney brigade and was subsequently countered. Now we have 11 new players, a new trainer and despite the famoliar 3-5-2-1, somewhat new tactics. This all coupled with having no time. Even if the ground enlargement eventually does happen and it can be filled thus improving matchday income and ancilliary earnings we will still be sprinting to stand still.
In summary, hard as it is to accept, I think success is actually remaining in the EPL and occasionally threatening a top half finish/going deep into cups. Yes, I am worried that time has caught up with us and yes i fear that the tactics employed Mr Sage are very risky, and that is being polite. I can but hope that i am being too pessimistic and not for the first time.

Some good points here to my mind.

I do think the club has perhaps shifted it's transfer policy too far in trying to discover gems that may be sold for big sums in the future.
Yes, a few are understandable.

However, the core of our Premier League stay this time around has been built on solid pros like McArthur, Dann, Tomkins,Kelly and Ward - experienced and dogged players who were not looking for a move every summer.
We seem to have jettisoned this approach entirely and gambled on the likes of Franca, Esse and a few brought in more recently.
Surely a balance could be achieved where we bring in solid reliable experience at reasonable value (even if no great sell on value) together with the unproven potential?
Some will dismiss this as regressive, but I know who I would take in my defence if the choice was a Dann or a Canvot, and what I would give for a McArthur in midfield.
These were bought from Blackburn and Wigan.

 

[silvertop]

On the OP I suspect the management agree which is why Sage is still in situ after last Sunday.

 

[highbury eagle]

I’d take that, another trophy while we can and the championship doesn’t scare me, it would freshen it up again as the league can get a bit mundane, same old same old, especially our home form

Also we'd have have gained an automatic place in the Champions league, so plenty of midweek entertainment to look forward to. Lincoln on Saturday, Bayern Munich on Wednesday. The more I think about it....🤔

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Also we'd have have gained an automatic place in the Champions league, so plenty of midweek entertainment to look forward to. Lincoln on Saturday, Bayern Munich on Wednesday. The more I think about it....🤔

Good point,🤣 I forgot we’d be in the champions league as well