Liberal women

Mark B said:
I can see how you would have that opinion. We see it differently because of our perspectives in our available information regarding integration between media, social media, and own experiences.

I see the people who've helped become US citizens who love being Americans. The people who love going to parades on July 4th and Veterans Day to celebrate their pride in being American. One of the reasons why Trump won in 2024 was because legal immigrants were sick of illegal immigrants stealing jobs by willing to be paid under the table. If you watch the USMNT play in friendlies you'll notice that many of the US fans are Hispanic. Some groups can assimilate and be productive members of society.

Now is it completely universal? No, some communities, specifically many Muslim, such as Somali, communities have not assimilated to the same extent. They seem to enjoy the benefits of being in the US but believe that they can only take and not have to give anything back. I've sponsored two Afghanis to come to the US but they had the willingness to work hard. I find generally that Pakistanis in the US tend to work fairly hard as well, although they do have some of the leaches as well.

I do agree with you on Europe. I think Western Europe has suicidal empathy and is more afraid of being called racist then they are of killing off their future generations. East Europe has a chance because they seem to have more common sense in seeing the world as it is instead of their delusional fantasies of peaceful global integration.
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As you know I was just focusing upon the survivability of whites in America as a distinct ethnic group but if we focus upon the concept of America as a successful multi ethnic country with one cohesive national culture to bind them (I don't, though I respect that you do) then we would mostly be buying into the idea of a 'nation of immigrants' that the Kennedys and MLK jnr had (though with different motivations)....with that idealism being made law mostly forced though by Johnson.

The passing of the generations and subsequent media indoctrination (which includes the rewriting of history) and legal enforcement (the forcing of mixed colleges being one of many examples) have meant that this view of America has been 'won' in mainstream opinion...mostly liberal and especially within white opinion in the US.

In truth it only really enabled the longer term destruction of European America.

It will become a fragmented and disjointed nation gradually progressively spliting along right and left states, which won't be specifically be white and non white.....but become statistically majority so.....We already see it happening.

The Democrats though will try to erase the white majority states and over time will probably be successful without serious pushback. Statistics show that the near majority of all ethnicities that aren't white vote left....even the Catholic Cubans is fifty fifty. Trump essentially is in power because white working class boomers voted him in but they are being demographically replaced.

I don't hold with the idea that it ever could have worked personally.....I think it's just unrealistic and group fragmentation with demographic change is inevitable once sizes increase. That's the key and the successful understanding that Japan and Gulf nations understand.....foreign naturalisation means the long term destruction of that country's culture and ethnicity.

I respectfully put it to you that this idea of a 'black America' a 'Hispanic America' a 'European America' and both types of 'Asian America' will all come together as one under the America flag has always been more wish fulliment than reality. Of course it will happen with a percent, especially those within the communities who benefit....usually the bright and capable. But some of the mid, a lot of the working class and nearly all of the underclass will have little to bind them and keep them from ethnic self interests.

When the numbers of of non white Amercians is relatively small the integration idealism can be more successful (though my experience is that full commitment is never really more than 1 in 3)....but I've made this numbers point perviously.
 
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PalazioVecchio said:
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If you take these excuses at face value....which I don't, I think these women are lying about not understanding the implications of choices they made while younger.

But if they are telling the truth....Jeez....just how thick would someone have to be? Saying that women aren't taught simple facts about fertility is just a lie, sorry love, if you had your ears shut that's a 'you' problem.
 
PalazioVecchio said:
Liberal women hate the idea of Gender Equality. We didnt get any gender-quotas for the jobs in the video.

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Just some of the men who sacrificed themselves, such as the miners who were exposed to intense heat and radiation as they tunnelled, even those who dug away miles of radioactive topsoil in the area. Well worth watching the series on Chernobyl, I imagine if it was remade by the BBC you'd have DEI all over the place.
 
Spindle said:
Just some of the men who sacrificed themselves, such as the miners who were exposed to intense heat and radiation as they tunnelled, even those who dug away miles of radioactive topsoil in the area. Well worth watching the series on Chernobyl, I imagine if it was remade by the BBC you'd have DEI all over the place.
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all the Chernobyl baddie-managers would still be the same white englishmen actors. I would keep an open mind.......... as to who would act the heroic role of wading through the radioactive underwater boiler-room. What gender was it ? Well it was Soviet Ukraine 1986 after all.

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Stirlingsays said:
As you know I was just focusing upon the survivability of whites in America as a distinct ethnic group but if we focus upon the concept of America as a successful multi ethnic country with one cohesive national culture to bind them (I don't, though I respect that you do) then we would mostly be buying into the idea of a 'nation of immigrants' that the Kennedys and MLK jnr had (though with different motivations)....with that idealism being made law mostly forced though by Johnson.

The passing of the generations and subsequent media indoctrination (which includes the rewriting of history) and legal enforcement (the forcing of mixed colleges being one of many examples) have meant that this view of America has been 'won' in mainstream opinion...mostly liberal and especially within white opinion in the US.

In truth it only really enabled the longer term destruction of European America.

It will become a fragmented and disjointed nation gradually progressively spliting along right and left states, which won't be specifically be white and non white.....but become statistically majority so.....We already see it happening.

The Democrats though will try to erase the white majority states and over time will probably be successful without serious pushback. Statistics show that the near majority of all ethnicities that aren't white vote left....even the Catholic Cubans is fifty fifty. Trump essentially is in power because white working class boomers voted him in but they are being demographically replaced.

I don't hold with the idea that it ever could have worked personally.....I think it's just unrealistic and group fragmentation with demographic change is inevitable once sizes increase. That's the key and the successful understanding that Japan and Gulf nations understand.....foreign naturalisation means the long term destruction of that country's culture and ethnicity.

I respectfully put it to you that this idea of a 'black America' a 'Hispanic America' a 'European America' and both types of 'Asian America' will all come together as one under the America flag has always been more wish fulliment than reality. Of course it will happen with a percent, especially those within the communities who benefit....usually the bright and capable. But some of the mid, a lot of the working class and nearly all of the underclass will have little to bind them and keep them from ethnic self interests.

When the numbers of of non white Amercians is relatively small the integration idealism can be more successful (though my experience is that full commitment is never really more than 1 in 3)....but I've made this numbers point perviously.
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I can see your viewpoint.

I think it also falls along economic lines before it gets to what you would describe as "black America," "Hispanic America" and "European America" as those with money all tend to act the same, regardless of their skin color.

It may be completely wishful thinking on my part, but I do think that there are groups of immigrants that are able to be fully assimilated into a society, but they have to want to. You see it in the South Vietnamese after Vietnam as well as other cultures who come because they want to be part of something special. I think it really comes down to what they are willing to do to become valuable members of society. Or are they just in it for themselves and what they can steal.
 
Mark B said:
I can see your viewpoint.

I think it also falls along economic lines before it gets to what you would describe as "black America," "Hispanic America" and "European America" as those with money all tend to act the same, regardless of their skin color.
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There is a truth in that.

If you ever want to see the most successful example of anti racism you see it amongst the wealth classes, as there is no struggle for resources and they get gated communities with next to zero crime and mainly interact with a filtered set of people.....they get to choose when they 'slum it'.

So this 'choice' of interaction and level of interaction means that people get to live in societal bubbles of their own realities, where they can make believe whatever they wish to.

Mark B said:
It may be completely wishful thinking on my part, but I do think that there are groups of immigrants that are able to be fully assimilated into a society, but they have to want to. You see it in the South Vietnamese after Vietnam as well as other cultures who come because they want to be part of something special. I think it really comes down to what they are willing to do to become valuable members of society. Or are they just in it for themselves and what they can steal.
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I respect the egaritarian mindset....but it doesn't stand up to statistical outcomes.

As you say and also as I said previously there are always a subset of people who try to intergrate and many succeed. However, statistically it's a minority once a host community already exists.

If you went 'ethnic' so to speak or became a passport bro then I can see the allure of viewing the world this way and obviously you're correct immigrants can be good people and succeed.

But standing back and viewing it at scale.....Once you have high immigration into a country......What's that line from the Aliens movie.

'It's over man'.

Europeans will have to take a stand if we are to survive......It's not about hating others, it's about surviving. And it's probably going to be somewhere in eastern Europe where that stand begins.....the boomer 60s mindset has to die out first and that takes time as it also ate into Gen X......but amongst the right wing of Gen Z and A the need for survival will be strong.

But the forces against us will fight it every step of the way.....that's real hatred.
 
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