Glasner and Andoni Iraola
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It doesn't look like things have worked for them currently. I'm not sure Glasner will get time but I think Iraola will.
Canterbury Palace
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Iraola would have been a decent appointment, wouldn't be the first to struggle to step up to a big club. However, very happy with Sage. Absolutely delighted to see Glasner and Forest miserable.
He went 10 games without a win at Bournemouth didn't he? Went quite well after that
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Would be surprised if Forest don't turn a corner soon. They should have won comfortably enough today.
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Nicholas91
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I thought they were rubbish tbh.
They maximised what they could against us, catching us slipping at the back numerous times, and didn’t manage to score apart from one complete gift.
They still look like a team without much identity to me. Could well change but we all know the state that club has been in for some time now.
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They were nothing special. Just played their system. We were so bad we made them look good.
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They looked good? I don't think they did, they didn't control that game any more than us, and that was with a gift and for a short period. They had to score twice in the second half and honestly, I just thought we'd go further ahead if there was anything, they weren't a threat aside Murillo down the left, who he took off.
Glasner has these runs and somebody like Parish will put up with it. The fat man not so much
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Iraola has the cv of a winner.
Glasner likes to do a Jose Mourinho and keep rocking the boat wherever he goes.
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Obviously the manager/coach matters, but modern football is overly obsessed with the idea that these people come with a 'philosophy' that they 'implement'. As if they are a chemical that you apply to achieve a set outcome.
A manager is one part of the complex, multifaceted and variable equation that is a football team at any given point in time. They matter, but so does how the club is run, by whom, to what purpose, the mindset and quality of the players, the chemistry that either does it doesn't become generated somehow, the specific expectations from inside and outside the club, luck, etc and so on.
A coach who produced a successful team at one club one year might, despite adopting the same approach at a different club with better players, not succeed. We've seen it time and again. Yet there is so much money riding on football that the people who run clubs want desperately to believe there is such a thing as a reliable method. That they just do their homework correctly they can be assured of the outcome in advance. Nonsense. The proof is found in the pudding (or more often not found) again and again. It is impossible to identify a 'right' manager for any club in advance, only afterwards.
The media have gone from barely understanding football tactics and data thirty years ago to analysing it to death, to the point you'd think it was an equation, or a chess match between two managers rather than a fiercely contested sport of fine margins. That just places further undue emphasis on the manager and his tactics. Unless he's a hopeless clown the fate of the team doesn't all turn on him, only part of it does.
We don't know what would have happened if we'd kept Glasner, or got Iraola, but neither does anybody else because these things just aren't that predictable. I don't think we can ever say we dodged a bullet or missed out. We don't know how things would have gone.
A manager is one part of the complex, multifaceted and variable equation that is a football team at any given point in time. They matter, but so does how the club is run, by whom, to what purpose, the mindset and quality of the players, the chemistry that either does it doesn't become generated somehow, the specific expectations from inside and outside the club, luck, etc and so on.
A coach who produced a successful team at one club one year might, despite adopting the same approach at a different club with better players, not succeed. We've seen it time and again. Yet there is so much money riding on football that the people who run clubs want desperately to believe there is such a thing as a reliable method. That they just do their homework correctly they can be assured of the outcome in advance. Nonsense. The proof is found in the pudding (or more often not found) again and again. It is impossible to identify a 'right' manager for any club in advance, only afterwards.
The media have gone from barely understanding football tactics and data thirty years ago to analysing it to death, to the point you'd think it was an equation, or a chess match between two managers rather than a fiercely contested sport of fine margins. That just places further undue emphasis on the manager and his tactics. Unless he's a hopeless clown the fate of the team doesn't all turn on him, only part of it does.
We don't know what would have happened if we'd kept Glasner, or got Iraola, but neither does anybody else because these things just aren't that predictable. I don't think we can ever say we dodged a bullet or missed out. We don't know how things would have gone.
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The problem is that Liverpool's squad is absolute undies
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Although Forest lost to us their performance was very good and it had all the hallmarks of a Glasner team. Ndoye performed in a similar way to what Sarr did for us - fast and tricky. Munoz did what he does best ( he could have scored at least 2 ) Diomande was good at the back and Williams pushed up well on the left. They also pressed well ( particularly in the first half ) and got a lot of turn over's in dangerous positions. On the negative side they looked vulnerable from set pieces which was also a trademark in his early days at Palace.
They will be a top half team for sure.
They will be a top half team for sure.
That's a bold claim. They didn't press that well, Spurs did a much better job against United. It's just that so many of our players were making loose horizontal passes. Delap has now scored 2 goals in his last 1800 league minutes and Glasner's system does not bring the best out of MGW
They have yet to score at home in 4 attempts and their next four home games are Arsenal, City, Chelsea and Brighton.
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Although you could say it was a poor performance, to dominate that much in the first half, miss so many chances and end up somehow losing 3-1 is hardly ‘very good’
Ollie said it was their best performance of the season, I think that’s the deluded ramblings of a man who’s starting to slip into self preservation mode as he can hear Mary Knickers sharpening his axe🤣
Despite being gifted so many opportunities to get there, their play in the final third was pretty woeful, finishing included.
And defensively they conceded soft goals at a point when they looked in control.
In many ways it was very reminiscent of some of the most frustrating OG games here last season.
It really is.
I can understand it at a club like Palace, but they have somehow ended up really threadbare in lots of positions.
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They will survive relegation or perhaps mid table. They will probably be similar to us. I doubt they'll be top half. They lack quality and decision making in a couple of positions.
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Spending the best part of a quarter of a BILLION on Isak and Wirtz won't have helped.