Glasner and Andoni Iraola
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ASCPFC
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It doesn't look like things have worked for them currently. I'm not sure Glasner will get time but I think Iraola will.
Canterbury Palace
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Iraola would have been a decent appointment, wouldn't be the first to struggle to step up to a big club. However, very happy with Sage. Absolutely delighted to see Glasner and Forest miserable.
He went 10 games without a win at Bournemouth didn't he? Went quite well after that
Living In Hope
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Would be surprised if Forest don't turn a corner soon. They should have won comfortably enough today.
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Nicholas91
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I thought they were rubbish tbh.
They maximised what they could against us, catching us slipping at the back numerous times, and didn’t manage to score apart from one complete gift.
They still look like a team without much identity to me. Could well change but we all know the state that club has been in for some time now.
cryrst
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They were nothing special. Just played their system. We were so bad we made them look good.
Spindle
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They looked good? I don't think they did, they didn't control that game any more than us, and that was with a gift and for a short period. They had to score twice in the second half and honestly, I just thought we'd go further ahead if there was anything, they weren't a threat aside Murillo down the left, who he took off.
Glasner has these runs and somebody like Parish will put up with it. The fat man not so much
PalazioVecchio
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Iraola has the cv of a winner.
Glasner likes to do a Jose Mourinho and keep rocking the boat wherever he goes.
TheBigToePunt
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Obviously the manager/coach matters, but modern football is overly obsessed with the idea that these people come with a 'philosophy' that they 'implement'. As if they are a chemical that you apply to achieve a set outcome.
A manager is one part of the complex, multifaceted and variable equation that is a football team at any given point in time. They matter, but so does how the club is run, by whom, to what purpose, the mindset and quality of the players, the chemistry that either does it doesn't become generated somehow, the specific expectations from inside and outside the club, luck, etc and so on.
A coach who produced a successful team at one club one year might, despite adopting the same approach at a different club with better players, not succeed. We've seen it time and again. Yet there is so much money riding on football that the people who run clubs want desperately to believe there is such a thing as a reliable method. That they just do their homework correctly they can be assured of the outcome in advance. Nonsense. The proof is found in the pudding (or more often not found) again and again. It is impossible to identify a 'right' manager for any club in advance, only afterwards.
The media have gone from barely understanding football tactics and data thirty years ago to analysing it to death, to the point you'd think it was an equation, or a chess match between two managers rather than a fiercely contested sport of fine margins. That just places further undue emphasis on the manager and his tactics. Unless he's a hopeless clown the fate of the team doesn't all turn on him, only part of it does.
We don't know what would have happened if we'd kept Glasner, or got Iraola, but neither does anybody else because these things just aren't that predictable. I don't think we can ever say we dodged a bullet or missed out. We don't know how things would have gone.
A manager is one part of the complex, multifaceted and variable equation that is a football team at any given point in time. They matter, but so does how the club is run, by whom, to what purpose, the mindset and quality of the players, the chemistry that either does it doesn't become generated somehow, the specific expectations from inside and outside the club, luck, etc and so on.
A coach who produced a successful team at one club one year might, despite adopting the same approach at a different club with better players, not succeed. We've seen it time and again. Yet there is so much money riding on football that the people who run clubs want desperately to believe there is such a thing as a reliable method. That they just do their homework correctly they can be assured of the outcome in advance. Nonsense. The proof is found in the pudding (or more often not found) again and again. It is impossible to identify a 'right' manager for any club in advance, only afterwards.
The media have gone from barely understanding football tactics and data thirty years ago to analysing it to death, to the point you'd think it was an equation, or a chess match between two managers rather than a fiercely contested sport of fine margins. That just places further undue emphasis on the manager and his tactics. Unless he's a hopeless clown the fate of the team doesn't all turn on him, only part of it does.
We don't know what would have happened if we'd kept Glasner, or got Iraola, but neither does anybody else because these things just aren't that predictable. I don't think we can ever say we dodged a bullet or missed out. We don't know how things would have gone.
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The problem is that Liverpool's squad is absolute undies