Labour Party politics

[Teddy Eagle]

Fastest growing economy in the G7?

UK Economic Review: Resilient Growth Amid Persistent Cost Pressures

The UK economy delivered a positive surprise in Q2, with GDP growing 0.4% between April and June — ahead of economist expectations despite ongoing cost pressures on businesses and households. Services and manufacturing were the main drivers, with warm weather and the World Cup providing a boost …

www.londonprofessionals.co.uk

 

[Badger11]

Fastest growing economy in the G7?

UK Economic Review: Resilient Growth Amid Persistent Cost Pressures

The UK economy delivered a positive surprise in Q2, with GDP growing 0.4% between April and June — ahead of economist expectations despite ongoing cost pressures on businesses and households. Services and manufacturing were the main drivers, with warm weather and the World Cup providing a boost …

www.londonprofessionals.co.uk

Whilst this is good news there is a real prospect of a major world wide collapse like 2008. Unfortunately we are already up to our ears in debt so we are not in a good position should this happen. Simply put we are skint and if the roof starts leaking we can't afford to repair it.

 

[Spindle]

Can you explain how the elected MEPs propose laws?

Sure.

MEPs can trigger and shape the legislative process through specific mechanisms provided by EU treaties by:

Right of Request: Under Article 225 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU), the European Parliament can adopt a legislative initiative report by a majority of its members. This allows Parliament to formally ask the European Commission to submit an appropriate legislative proposal.

Commission Obligation: When MEPs ask the Commission to propose a law, the Commission is not legally forced to write the legislation. However, if the Commission decides not to submit a proposal, it must provide a formal explanation and justification for its refusal.

Amendments During the Legislative Process: Once the Commission does submit a proposal, MEPs actively shape, amend, or reject the text during the ordinary legislative procedure (readings between Parliament and the Council of the EU).

Political Pressure: MEPs can use parliamentary questions, debates, and pressure during hearings or the approval of the Commission President to influence the Commission's official work program and priorities

If more than 50% of MEPs vote in favour of a legislative initiative report, the European Commission is still not legally forced to draft the law but the political pressure becomes almost impossible to ignore. Whilst the Commission has a legal veto, rejecting a demand backed by more than 50% of MEPs cannot be ignored because the Parliament holds ultimate leverage over the Commission via the annual budget and the power to dismiss the entire European Commission through a motion of censure

Because of this, if over 50% of MEPs band together and demand a law, the Commission will almost always draft a version of the requested legislation rather than risk a total political standstill.

I still expect you'll argue even though I've literally just refuted the cornerstone of your stance.

 

[Spindle]

Wait, Foot is not a f***ing idiot now?

 

[georgenorman]

Sure.

MEPs can trigger and shape the legislative process through specific mechanisms provided by EU treaties by:

Right of Request: Under Article 225 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU), the European Parliament can adopt a legislative initiative report by a majority of its members. This allows Parliament to formally ask the European Commission to submit an appropriate legislative proposal.

Commission Obligation: When MEPs ask the Commission to propose a law, the Commission is not legally forced to write the legislation. However, if the Commission decides not to submit a proposal, it must provide a formal explanation and justification for its refusal.

Amendments During the Legislative Process: Once the Commission does submit a proposal, MEPs actively shape, amend, or reject the text during the ordinary legislative procedure (readings between Parliament and the Council of the EU).

Political Pressure: MEPs can use parliamentary questions, debates, and pressure during hearings or the approval of the Commission President to influence the Commission's official work program and priorities

If more than 50% of MEPs vote in favour of a legislative initiative report, the European Commission is still not legally forced to draft the law but the political pressure becomes almost impossible to ignore. Whilst the Commission has a legal veto, rejecting a demand backed by more than 50% of MEPs cannot be ignored because the Parliament holds ultimate leverage over the Commission via the annual budget and the power to dismiss the entire European Commission through a motion of censure

Because of this, if over 50% of MEPs band together and demand a law, the Commission will almost always draft a version of the requested legislation rather than risk a total political standstill.

I still expect you'll argue even though I've literally just refuted the cornerstone of your stance.

Thanks for your Wisbechian response.
So MEPs can ask the Commission to propose a law, but the Commission is not legally obliged to write the legislation!
What you have cut and pasted just confirms my central point that the EU Parliament and its MEPs are not able to propose and frame EU laws. The ONLY body able to do that is the unelected, undemocratic secretive, EU Commission.
All this 'becomes almost impossible to ignore' is just squid-ink - why isn't it 'illegal to ignore'?

 

[georgenorman]

Wait, Foot is not a f***ing idiot now?

Significant figures on the Left were anti-EU because of its undemocratic nature, Foot, Benn, Skinner, Corbyn ...

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Significant figures on the Left were anti-EU because of its undemocratic nature, Foot, Benn, Skinner, Corbyn ...

Old Labour viewed things differently.

 

[Spindle]

Thanks for your Wisbechian response.
So MEPs can ask the Commission to propose a law, but the Commission is not legally obliged to write the legislation!
This just confirms my central point that the EU Parliament and its MEPs are not able to propose and frame EU laws. The ONLY body able to do that is the unelected, undemocratic secretive, EU Commission.
All this 'becomes almost impossible to ignore' is just squid-ink - why isn't it 'illegal to ignore'?

Yeah I just said they can refuse, but if they do that there is hell to pay, so they don't. And in the past this has kind of happened so the Parliament forced them all to resign, then Parliament got their way.

It's a bit like Lords and Royal Ascent, and the role of Lords being one of overall protection of constitution. Would you prefer referendum by the entire EU populace on every single issue then?

I'm only presenting facts, not an argument on what my personal preference is. You'd do better in your debate on this if you came from a position of knowing what their rules and role actually is rather than the obtuse "It's undemocratic!" bollocks.

 

[Spindle]

Significant figures on the Left were anti-EU because of its undemocratic nature, Foot, Benn, Skinner, Corbyn ...

No it's because they'd have lost power against such a block. That lot loved power of the block using unions but not when it was facing them.

 

[georgenorman]

 

[georgenorman]

Yeah I just said they can refuse, but if they do that there is hell to pay, so they don't. And in the past this has kind of happened so the Parliament forced them all to resign, then Parliament got their way.

It's a bit like Lords and Royal Ascent, and the role of Lords being one of overall protection of constitution. Would you prefer referendum by the entire EU populace on every single issue then?

I'm only presenting facts, not an argument on what my personal preference is. You'd do better in your debate on this if you came from a position of knowing what their rules and role actually is rather than the obtuse "It's undemocratic!" bollocks.

I would want the elected EU Parliament to be the sole source of law making in the EU.