Crystal Palace vs. Lech Poznan match thread

[ex hibitionist]

When we were 1-0 up I though Poznan should have been level, at least, on the balance of play and chances but they kept dropping clangers. Second half we really dominated and I do the like the style of attacking football we are playing. In his post match Sage pointed out O'Neill's performance saying 'we won a player', O'Neill has undoubted ability, some here have already written him off, players can lose form and confidence, remember how different Darren Ambrose was here compared to Charlton, and Nketiah scored after missing a chance, with Sarr and Mateta coming back things are looking good, Leeds will be tricky but it's definitely starting to click and once the defence becomes settled I think we'll do very well. Allez Pierre!

 

[JHB]

At the risk of simply repeating what others have said...

Obviously last night was very enjoyable, and hopefully the players (particularly Pino and Larsen, who have been harshly but fairly criticised) will feel more confident at the moment.

That said, the opposition were a huge factor. They contrived both to miss and to gift incredible chances. Better play from them in the boxes could easily have seen us 0-2 down in no time. I am sure Sage is painfully aware of that.

The biggest thing was seeing once again, and perhaps somehow more clearly than ever, the differences between how Sage plays the 343 and how Glasner played it. And, by the way, as much as I am the first to say that football is about players and not manager v manager as the media would often have it, that doesn't mean the different approaches are not important. I watched Liverpool v Forest on telly the other week and it was like watching Palace from last year. The deep, narrow block, the Forest striker being within 40 yards of his own goal when they defended. There was no doubt that this was a Glasner team.

By the same token, the most telling moments last night came when one of our players was suddenly in a totally different part of the pitch to that which Glasner would have had him in. Half way through the second half Richards was penalised for a foul. At the time he was not only in the right back position in terms of being out wide, but he was so far up the pitch that he was almost level with the edge of their box. This was in open play.

Equally, one of their big chances in the first half came when one ball through the middle put their forward away, almost 1v1 against Benitez. Where the feck is Disasi?! I thought to myself. The replay showed him to be some ten yards ahead of the other two centre backs, having chased a forward into midfield. He did it again a couple of times afterwards, though nothing came of it. Glasner would never allow that.

There were moments when the oppo played little triangles around our right side and I felt sorry for Richards as it seemed to me that Khalili had sold himself a bit cheaply, causing the problem to begin with. Upon reflection, whilst a wingback diving in matters, what is more interesting is the response. Glasner would have told Richards to leave the ball there, drop back, let others regroup, stay part of a compact unit. Sage seems to say that if the man ahead of you goes for the press, you all have to follow him.

That is how pressing works, but it relies on the forwards getting it right. If they dive in then everything else falls apart behind them, like dominos.

These are the signs of a very bold pressing game. It is very risky.

As I’ve said before the high press has rarely worked in the Premier League and is arguably the most difficult system to implement. I can only think of Liverpool who have used it really successfully and that took multiple seasons to get right. As soon as a couple of player dropped their levels they found it problematic to play. We are not that Liverpool team.

I don’t mind more pressing but for a rebuilding team in an unforgiving league we need to be more pragmatic. If it takes 13 games to get right we will be in deep relegation trouble.

 

[DANGERCLOSE]

When we were 1-0 up I though Poznan should have been level, at least, on the balance of play and chances but they kept dropping clangers. Second half we really dominated and I do the like the style of attacking football we are playing. In his post match Sage pointed out O'Neill's performance saying 'we won a player', O'Neill has undoubted ability, some here have already written him off, players can lose form and confidence, remember how different Darren Ambrose was here compared to Charlton, and Nketiah scored after missing a chance, with Sarr and Mateta coming back things are looking good, Leeds will be tricky but it's definitely starting to click and once the defence becomes settled I think we'll do very well. Allez Pierre!

Agreed

Up the palace
Love it

 

[taylors lovechild]

At the risk of simply repeating what others have said...

Obviously last night was very enjoyable, and hopefully the players (particularly Pino and Larsen, who have been harshly but fairly criticised) will feel more confident at the moment.

That said, the opposition were a huge factor. They contrived both to miss and to gift incredible chances. Better play from them in the boxes could easily have seen us 0-2 down in no time. I am sure Sage is painfully aware of that.

The biggest thing was seeing once again, and perhaps somehow more clearly than ever, the differences between how Sage plays the 343 and how Glasner played it. And, by the way, as much as I am the first to say that football is about players and not manager v manager as the media would often have it, that doesn't mean the different approaches are not important. I watched Liverpool v Forest on telly the other week and it was like watching Palace from last year. The deep, narrow block, the Forest striker being within 40 yards of his own goal when they defended. There was no doubt that this was a Glasner team.

By the same token, the most telling moments last night came when one of our players was suddenly in a totally different part of the pitch to that which Glasner would have had him in. Half way through the second half Richards was penalised for a foul. At the time he was not only in the right back position in terms of being out wide, but he was so far up the pitch that he was almost level with the edge of their box. This was in open play.

Equally, one of their big chances in the first half came when one ball through the middle put their forward away, almost 1v1 against Benitez. Where the feck is Disasi?! I thought to myself. The replay showed him to be some ten yards ahead of the other two centre backs, having chased a forward into midfield. He did it again a couple of times afterwards, though nothing came of it. Glasner would never allow that.

There were moments when the oppo played little triangles around our right side and I felt sorry for Richards as it seemed to me that Khalili had sold himself a bit cheaply, causing the problem to begin with. Upon reflection, whilst a wingback diving in matters, what is more interesting is the response. Glasner would have told Richards to leave the ball there, drop back, let others regroup, stay part of a compact unit. Sage seems to say that if the man ahead of you goes for the press, you all have to follow him.

That is how pressing works, but it relies on the forwards getting it right. If they dive in then everything else falls apart behind them, like dominos.

These are the signs of a very bold pressing game. It is very risky.

I think you make some valid points, but Glasner's tactics were an issue at times last season, as there were games where we struggled to get out (especially when Sarr was missing), as so much was dependent on breaking from our own defensive third, and as such needed the speed of Muoz and Sarr to make it work. When they were out, we offered very little going forward. This season is definitely a transition, but we look more threatening even without Sarr and JP. The key word, of course, will be balance as we can't keep giving up so many clear chances.

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

At the risk of simply repeating what others have said...

Obviously last night was very enjoyable, and hopefully the players (particularly Pino and Larsen, who have been harshly but fairly criticised) will feel more confident at the moment.

That said, the opposition were a huge factor. They contrived both to miss and to gift incredible chances. Better play from them in the boxes could easily have seen us 0-2 down in no time. I am sure Sage is painfully aware of that.

The biggest thing was seeing once again, and perhaps somehow more clearly than ever, the differences between how Sage plays the 343 and how Glasner played it. And, by the way, as much as I am the first to say that football is about players and not manager v manager as the media would often have it, that doesn't mean the different approaches are not important. I watched Liverpool v Forest on telly the other week and it was like watching Palace from last year. The deep, narrow block, the Forest striker being within 40 yards of his own goal when they defended. There was no doubt that this was a Glasner team.

By the same token, the most telling moments last night came when one of our players was suddenly in a totally different part of the pitch to that which Glasner would have had him in. Half way through the second half Richards was penalised for a foul. At the time he was not only in the right back position in terms of being out wide, but he was so far up the pitch that he was almost level with the edge of their box. This was in open play.

Equally, one of their big chances in the first half came when one ball through the middle put their forward away, almost 1v1 against Benitez. Where the feck is Disasi?! I thought to myself. The replay showed him to be some ten yards ahead of the other two centre backs, having chased a forward into midfield. He did it again a couple of times afterwards, though nothing came of it. Glasner would never allow that.

There were moments when the oppo played little triangles around our right side and I felt sorry for Richards as it seemed to me that Khalili had sold himself a bit cheaply, causing the problem to begin with. Upon reflection, whilst a wingback diving in matters, what is more interesting is the response. Glasner would have told Richards to leave the ball there, drop back, let others regroup, stay part of a compact unit. Sage seems to say that if the man ahead of you goes for the press, you all have to follow him.

That is how pressing works, but it relies on the forwards getting it right. If they dive in then everything else falls apart behind them, like dominos.

These are the signs of a very bold pressing game. It is very risky.

Good post TBTP. It was a great result for sure, but you're so right to comment on the poor opposition. It's unlikely that we'll come up against another team like Poznan who gifted us goals and missed a couple of sitters themselves.

I also thought we looked much more energetic (from the TV) than we have in our previous matches so far this season. Pierre's influence is gradually bearing fruit.

 

[mtp1958]

Agree .
As Sage said in the post match , it could have been 6-2 .
If we are going to have to out score the opposition expect an emotional rollercoaster in the Prem this season .
We will be first in something though ... on MOTD 😀

Normal

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Agree .
As Sage said in the post match , it could have been 6-2 .
If we are going to have to out score the opposition expect an emotional rollercoaster in the Prem this season .
We will be first in something though ... on MOTD 😀

We won't be the first cross for a draw on many pools coupons.

 

[waterfordpal]

Everybody whinging saying it’s not Prem opponents, we’d struggle v better quality. Lads he KNOWS all that. It will take time for new lads to settle and for all the squad to get used to playing together. So wise up and be patient because it will steadily improve the more games they play. Keep calm and carry on.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

I think you make some valid points, but Glasner's tactics were an issue at times last season, as there were games where we struggled to get out (especially when Sarr was missing), as so much was dependent on breaking from our own defensive third, and as such needed the speed of Muoz and Sarr to make it work. When they were out, we offered very little going forward. This season is definitely a transition, but we look more threatening even without Sarr and JP. The key word, of course, will be balance as we can't keep giving up so many clear chances.

Agreed.

The Spanish have a saying that football is a small blanket. I.e. you can keep your feet warm or your nose, but not both. Whichever you choose, there will be a price to pay. Obviously they are talking about how attacking minded teams tend to be more open at the back, and how defensively solid team can struggle to create.

I suppose its a matter of picking your poison. There were certainly many games last year in Europe when Glasner's conservative approach was simply the wrong fit for the task at hand. As you say, missing key players was a factor, but a deep block at home to some Cypriot team was still overkill.

Thing is, we found a way to win in Europe anyway. The limits of Glasner's approach were not fatal. We also had a very strong run domestically playing that way, so the benefits of Glasner's approach were often significant.

I'm not sure we will come to say the same about Sage. Even if we dish out a couple more drubbings in Europe, will that offset us getting our pants pulled own regularly in the league? I doubt it, personally.

When the big teams get the pressing game right they don't win 5-4 every week. They keep loads of clean sheets. It is a viable defensive tactic, but only if it works. If Sage can get it to work at Palace then I for one will be mightily impressed, and more than a little surprised.

 

[Den1923]

Last night was a great win and confidence builder and both the playing and coaching team deserve all the praise they are getting. However lets not forget our first and most important job is to maintain our EPL status and last nights performance now needs to be repeated in our EPL games and with no disrespect to last visitors our defence has to prove that it can shut out an EPL attack and learn how to deal better with high balls in to the box. Sunday at Leeds will be a good test to really see what progress we are making!

 

[RedandBlueSash]

There's little doubt this system will not get us more fluidity and goals than Glasner's. The squad has been hugely deepened with real quality and we will hopefully have some worthy contributions from Gozo and Osario once they find their feet. Timber, Mingueza and Khalaili are fitting in nicely. We kept Kamada and Doucoure should round off an excellent roster of midfield options. JSL and Pino are proving the knockers utterly wrong and Nketiah looks lively in this system. Chilwell is great back up for Mitchell. We have Sarr and Mateta coming back to a team already full of goals and we even have a superb back up keeper in Benitez.

It's going to be down to the defence. Fix that and we have a very, very strong P.L. season ahead and a real chance at more silverware. Hopefully we get Ordonez in January because Disassi, so far, is not fit to lace LaCroix's boots. Someone has to step and make the central three role their own.

 

[MrRobbo]

There's little doubt this system will not get us more fluidity and goals than Glasner's. The squad has been hugely deepened with real quality and we will hopefully have some worthy contributions from Gozo and Osario once they find their feet. Timber, Mingueza and Khalaili are fitting in nicely. We kept Kamada and Doucoure should round off an excellent roster of midfield options. JSL and Pino are proving the knockers utterly wrong and Nketiah looks lively in this system. Chilwell is great back up for Mitchell. We have Sarr and Mateta coming back to a team already full of goals and we even have a superb back up keeper in Benitez.

It's going to be down to the defence. Fix that and we have a very, very strong P.L. season ahead and a real chance at more silverware. Hopefully we get Ordonez in January because Disassi, so far, is not fit to lace LaCroix's boots. Someone has to step and make the central three role their own.

Just give it a little time. This time a couple of years back, most thought Lacroix wasn't fit to lace Anderson's boots!

 

[MrRobbo]

At the risk of simply repeating what others have said...

Obviously last night was very enjoyable, and hopefully the players (particularly Pino and Larsen, who have been harshly but fairly criticised) will feel more confident at the moment.

That said, the opposition were a huge factor. They contrived both to miss and to gift incredible chances. Better play from them in the boxes could easily have seen us 0-2 down in no time. I am sure Sage is painfully aware of that.

The biggest thing was seeing once again, and perhaps somehow more clearly than ever, the differences between how Sage plays the 343 and how Glasner played it. And, by the way, as much as I am the first to say that football is about players and not manager v manager as the media would often have it, that doesn't mean the different approaches are not important. I watched Liverpool v Forest on telly the other week and it was like watching Palace from last year. The deep, narrow block, the Forest striker being within 40 yards of his own goal when they defended. There was no doubt that this was a Glasner team.

By the same token, the most telling moments last night came when one of our players was suddenly in a totally different part of the pitch to that which Glasner would have had him in. Half way through the second half Richards was penalised for a foul. At the time he was not only in the right back position in terms of being out wide, but he was so far up the pitch that he was almost level with the edge of their box. This was in open play.

Equally, one of their big chances in the first half came when one ball through the middle put their forward away, almost 1v1 against Benitez. Where the feck is Disasi?! I thought to myself. The replay showed him to be some ten yards ahead of the other two centre backs, having chased a forward into midfield. He did it again a couple of times afterwards, though nothing came of it. Glasner would never allow that.

There were moments when the oppo played little triangles around our right side and I felt sorry for Richards as it seemed to me that Khalili had sold himself a bit cheaply, causing the problem to begin with. Upon reflection, whilst a wingback diving in matters, what is more interesting is the response. Glasner would have told Richards to leave the ball there, drop back, let others regroup, stay part of a compact unit. Sage seems to say that if the man ahead of you goes for the press, you all have to follow him.

That is how pressing works, but it relies on the forwards getting it right. If they dive in then everything else falls apart behind them, like dominos.

These are the signs of a very bold pressing game. It is very risky.

But it sure is good fun to watch!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Just give it a little time. This time a couple of years back, most thought Lacroix wasn't fit to lace Anderson's boots!

There have been hundreds who weren't fit to lace George Best's drinks.

 

[Avtelephone]

If we do, look us up and we'll buy you a beer.

They're cheaper in the Midlands right?

I’d bloody love that, but I am a displaced Villan, down south 😁

Love seeing you guys succeed. Too fans, proper club.

 

[BromleyMonkey]

There have been hundreds who weren't fit to lace George Best's drinks.

George Best spent 95% of his earnings on women and Booze……..he wasted the other 5%

 

[Palace Old Geezer]

We won't be the first cross for a draw on many pools coupons.

Memories of Horace Batchelor's infra draw method as advertised on Radio Luxembourg.

Do the Pools still exist?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Memories of Horace Batchelor's infra draw method as advertised on Radio Luxembourg.

Do the Pools still exist?

Still around but the Lottery has largely taken over.

 

[Donald T Trump]

When we were 1-0 up I though Poznan should have been level, at least, on the balance of play and chances but they kept dropping clangers. Second half we really dominated and I do the like the style of attacking football we are playing. In his post match Sage pointed out O'Neill's performance saying 'we won a player', O'Neill has undoubted ability, some here have already written him off, players can lose form and confidence, remember how different Darren Ambrose was here compared to Charlton, and Nketiah scored after missing a chance, with Sarr and Mateta coming back things are looking good, Leeds will be tricky but it's definitely starting to click and once the defence becomes settled I think we'll do very well. Allez Pierre!

Finally, some sensible comments! I like the guy—he actually has a plan. There might be more disruption ahead, but we'll prosper in the end.

 

[Part Time James]

Finally, some sensible comments! I like the guy—he actually has a plan. There might be more disruption ahead, but we'll prosper in the end.

Going to be exciting I think. I'm braced for the experiment going wrong but very willing to see it executed.