Reform

[Living In Hope]

I am glad we agree on many things. Of which there are more you don’t mention. I would criticise anyone, whatever their background, who failed to condemn the actions of Hamas on Oct 7, let alone celebrate it. I also agree that such criticism is not Islamophobic but simple objections to an awful attack. Whataboutery rarely helps solve problems though. Better to condemn them all. That said the Muslim diaspora still contains fundamentalist elements unwilling to submit to the modern world. Whilst there are also orthodox Jewish sects who continue to follow divine law, they do so within the context of modern society. They don’t fight it. They have had centuries to adapt and accept. Each is at a different point in their journey to life within a secular society.

Reform are a fraud. Every populist party is. Describing them as just right suits some. That’s what happens with populists. They serve up things intended to be popular. Others looking at them who don’t see, let alone share, any of their “values” see them differently.

They are a bag of wind. Nothing of substance behind them and no real idea of how to approach government.

Everyone wants to eliminate illegal immigration. Most see the need for controlled legal immigration. Only Reform (and Restore, who are even worse) propose ideas they know full well are unworkable. In the expectation they will be popular!

Thanks for this.

On a slightly different note I will give my right-wing perspective on Reform. I know you will baulk at this but I would give my vote to whichever right of centre party I thought was most likely to win an election, but with certain limitations.

That is because I believe a right wing party:
- stands a far better chance of repairing our broken finances by creating the conditions for strong economic growth;
- will take a robust stand on immigration to ensure that future immigration is limited to what is in the country's interests;
- will seek to shift our society away from the victim culture towards one which rewards aspiration and hard work, where freedom of expression is properly protected, and which values British heritage and tradition.

Now for the paragraph which will make you spit out your food and assert that it's the other way around 🤣.

I am unconvinced that Reform could do this, but I would be willing to give them the chance. I don't buy his opponents' narrative about Nigel Farage - I consider him to be a capable individual with a very clear vision of how the country might recover from its malaise, not a Machiavellian opportunist as his opponents would have us believe. I would also say that if I thought that Reform was veering towards an agenda which was racist, sexist, and homophobic, I would quickly change my tune. But currently I see them taking a stand against the malign and divisive influences which are eroding the qualities which have made Britain special.

I acknowledge that I doubt Reform has enough people with the competence and wisdom to successfully improve Britain's fortunes. However, I am also absolutely sure that the current government will just represent an extension of Britain's downturn.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Only if racist dave was included.
That would be a proper sesh

No one ever gets anything sensible out of racist Dave. Even the most biased of the right wing posters here would be offended at some of his attitudes. He is avoided by all, other than the unwitting tourists who get trapped by him.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Thanks for this.

On a slightly different note I will give my right-wing perspective on Reform. I know you will baulk at this but I would give my vote to whichever right of centre party I thought was most likely to win an election, but with certain limitations.

That is because I believe a right wing party:
- stands a far better chance of repairing our broken finances by creating the conditions for strong economic growth;
- will take a robust stand on immigration to ensure that future immigration is limited to what is in the country's interests;
- will seek to shift our society away from the victim culture towards one which rewards aspiration and hard work, where freedom of expression is properly protected, and which values British heritage and tradition.

Now for the paragraph which will make you spit out your food and assert that it's the other way around 🤣.

I am unconvinced that Reform could do this, but I would be willing to give them the chance. I don't buy his opponents' narrative about Nigel Farage - I consider him to be a capable individual with a very clear vision of how the country might recover from its malaise, not a Machiavellian opportunist as his opponents would have us believe. I would also say that if I thought that Reform was veering towards an agenda which was racist, sexist, and homophobic, I would quickly change my tune. But currently I see them taking a stand against the malign and divisive influences which are eroding the qualities which have made Britain special.

I acknowledge that I doubt Reform has enough people with the competence and wisdom to successfully improve Britain's fortunes. However, I am also absolutely sure that the current government will just represent an extension of Britain's downturn.

I think you would be wasting your vote. I cannot see anything other than a coalition after the next GE, that will exclude Reform. Who leads it remains open, but I anticipate more than 2 parties involved. How long it could avoid in fighting putting sufficient strains on it to cause it to collapse is also an open question.

 

[Spindle]

I think you would be wasting your vote. I cannot see anything other than a coalition after the next GE, that will exclude Reform. Who leads it remains open, but I anticipate more than 2 parties involved. How long it could avoid in fighting putting sufficient strains on it to cause it to collapse is also an open question.

Really? You think that Labour will cosy up with the nutcases in the Greens do you?