More covid

[Wisbech Eagle]

My current position is that the jabs reduced the immediate death of those very vulnerable to dying of Covid.

It wasn't by any means a certainty because the 'with Covid' was very much a reality rather 'than covid'....or in other words a lot of people were going to die regardless.....and they did die.....The long term effectiveness of the jabs is a serious point of contention.

This isn't even touching upon the effect of lockdowns, liberties and the covid programme had on other deadly illnesses like cancer for example.....and the increase of many deaths for other conditions, delays of diagnosis.....Very little there that the state will be honest about because its decisions caused it....the effect of closing down schools, jabbing the healthy and children (a crime in my view).

However, if I remember correctly the statistics....if believed....show a significant drop in deaths once the vaccines started for covid specifically.......but overall deaths increased as time went on and the state manipulated calculations because of it....and explanations for that aren't honest in my view.

However, that also seems to be the extent of their usefulness.....an immediate reduction in death for the most vulnerable.....Beyond that most of the claims were just lies to get people to take the jab.

And lying is something a state must be held to account on....As much as humanly possible......Otherwise you are headed down the Soviet route of unrestrained corruption.

So much of what was put out by 'trusted' sources turned out to be misinformation.....which was highly ironic considering what they claimed for others.

When the day dawns that our “state” is even remotely as closely controlled as was the USSR, or as Russia is today, then I will start to worry about that.

Until then I will continue to give thanks that you, alongside anyone else who shares your cynical attitudes, are not responsible for the direction of our healthcare.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Let's watch what the lies of people that Wisbech did support the actions of during Covid.

Apparently I shouldn't be cynical.

 

[Mattconrov]

When the day dawns that our “state” is even remotely as closely controlled as was the USSR, or as Russia is today, then I will start to worry about that.

Until then I will continue to give thanks that you, alongside anyone else who shares your cynical attitudes, are not responsible for the direction of our healthcare.

To be fair Mr Wisbech, you live in Cornwall not Russia. I wouldn't assume anything about life in Russia today.

I can see the things happening in my own country and it ain't good.

Conflating different societies and assuming contentness of - well at least it's not Russia, ain't helping no one. Anything anyone says on here doesn't help anyone. Lol.

 

[Mattconrov]

Let's watch what the lies of people that Wisbech did support the actions of during Covid.

Apparently I shouldn't be cynical.

This is the classic, masterclass completion of covid idiots Stirling.

 

[McAhuna]

This is the classic, masterclass completion of covid idiots Stirling.

I could forgive Covidiots in 2020-21, but not those who still hold the same position in 2026 after so much has come to light.

 

[McAhuna]

People tend to believe in what gets them through.

A lot of beliefs centre around the 'main character' idea of that we as an individual matter in some way and that our behaviour matters towards some end.

Many religions are based upon this idea, Satan being one of those figures meant to keep you on the straight and narrow.

I see the very useful aspect of religion for social cohesion and I'm a strong advocate for the positive aspects of religion.....because nihilism is much worse for morality and thus consequences.

Unfortunately nihilism is how the world works for the elites....because that is mostly how they behave.

But as for what is true.....That has to be analysed away from personal feelings or what we would prefer to be the case.

My position is that super-determinism seems to line up with what we know about the universe better than other theories.....and for me, super-determinism says simulation.

I don't think the parasitic class are nihilistic. They are actually very methodical, very precise in their actions. Just without anything we would recognise as a moral compass.

Individuals do matter, even if only as constituent parts of the collective group. Every individual has a bearing (albeit tiny) on the direction of society as a whole. I don't think you have to be religious to accept that. You yourself have laid blame at the Covidiots who were complicit in facilitating the madness. They all played a part.

 

[Mattconrov]

I could forgive Covidiots in 2020-21, but not those who still hold the same position in 2026 after so much has come to light.

They cannot be wiped from my memory.
I meet, like you plenty of Joe bloggs saying the same thing.

 

[Stirlingsays]

They cannot be wiped from my memory.
I meet, like you plenty of Joe bloggs saying the same thing.

They aren't the kind of people who can take personal responsibility for being wrong.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Let's watch what the lies of people that Wisbech did support the actions of during Covid.

Apparently I shouldn't be cynical.

That the Republican Party are determined to do a hit job on Fauci is disgraceful.

No-one knows for certain what the origins of Covid were and, without the cooperation of China, we will probably never know. That, of course, doesn't stop some people claiming they know but the balance of expert opinion continues not to have a settled opinion.

However, all of that is a political distraction and not the actual subject. Covid did spread. It had no known cure. It was a huge international emergency that demanded, and got, some extremely impressive scientific work that produced effective vaccines very swifty matched with public health restrictions.

As time passed and more was understood the approach was modified but when faced with the unknown with a horrific worst case scenario you don't sit back and worry about the economic impact. You act. We did but that didn't stop the "know everything" key board experts immediately complaining. Some failing to do their duty and participate in the national effort. I continue to feel both anger and shame about some of the attitudes displayed here.

Now we have a very comprehensive enquiry to determine the lessons to be learned from the experience. There are lessons. No-one in such circumstances would ever make 100% correct decisions under that pressure. That said I remain very proud of our response overall and particularly so of the calm way the scientific advisers handled things.

If I was Anthony Fauci I would be ashamed of the way I am being treated. Who would willingly accept that kind of responsibilty in future if you end up being treated like this?

 

[Mattconrov]

That the Republican Party are determined to do a hit job on Fauci is disgraceful.

No-one knows for certain what the origins of Covid were and, without the cooperation of China, we will probably never know. That, of course, doesn't stop some people claiming they know but the balance of expert opinion continues not to have a settled opinion.

However, all of that is a political distraction and not the actual subject. Covid did spread. It had no known cure. It was a huge international emergency that demanded, and got, some extremely impressive scientific work that produced effective vaccines very swifty matched with public health restrictions.

As time passed and more was understood the approach was modified but when faced with the unknown with a horrific worst case scenario you don't sit back and worry about the economic impact. You act. We did but that didn't stop the "know everything" key board experts immediately complaining. Some failing to do their duty and participate in the national effort. I continue to feel both anger and shame about some of the attitudes displayed here.

Now we have a very comprehensive enquiry to determine the lessons to be learned from the experience. There are lessons. No-one in such circumstances would ever make 100% correct decisions under that pressure. That said I remain very proud of our response overall and particularly so of the calm way the scientific advisers handled things.

If I was Anthony Fauci I would be ashamed of the way I am being treated. Who would willingly accept that kind of responsibilty in future if you end up being treated like this?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

To be fair Mr Wisbech, you live in Cornwall not Russia. I wouldn't assume anything about life in Russia today.

I can see the things happening in my own country and it ain't good.

Conflating different societies and assuming contentness of - well at least it's not Russia, ain't helping no one. Anything anyone says on here doesn't help anyone. Lol.

There's not a lot to assume is there? We know that showing any lind of opposition often leads to an unpleasant death. That there isn't a free press and that the people only get told what the government wants them to know.

Yes I live in Cornwall, but I have been to Moscow, admittedly a while ago, but from all I can tell life there is as restricted as it was when I was there. Then there were shortages in the shops and no-one ever really spoke freely. They were obviously fearful and kept their true thoughts to themselves.

Of course we have seen, and will continue to see, changes but they don't mean the UK isn't still a much better place to live. The world has changed and we aren't immune to them. Isolating ourselves isn't really a viable option. Those that try soon discover it doesn't actually work. We must learn to survive in today's world and stop hankering after yesterday's. Which is no longer.

 

[Mattconrov]

There's not a lot to assume is there? We know that showing any lind of opposition often leads to an unpleasant death. That there isn't a free press and that the people only get told what the government wants them to know.

Yes I live in Cornwall, but I have been to Moscow, admittedly a while ago, but from all I can tell life there is as restricted as it was when I was there. Then there were shortages in the shops and no-one ever really spoke freely. They were obviously fearful and kept their true thoughts to themselves.

Of course we have seen, and will continue to see, changes but they don't mean the UK isn't still a much better place to live. The world has changed and we aren't immune to them. Isolating ourselves isn't really a viable option. Those that try soon discover it doesn't actually work. We must learn to survive in today's world and stop hankering after yesterday's. Which is no longer.

I suppose the UK is a "much better place" if you live in a much better place.

I'm blessed and have a lovely life, like yourself. So we are both probably not the best people to ask how a changing Britain has affected them.

Of course we have to survive the world, but that's easy for you and me to say. Not for many others.

Yes tommorow has gone, but if we continue on this trajectory, then it will get worse.

With regards to freedom of speech in this country; it's quite evident that people are already self censoring themselves. They would be mad not to do that. The police are turning up at people's door for just viewing Facebook pages.

I don't know much about the press in Russia. I used to watch R T, that was pretty good actually.

When Dr David Kelly died back in 2002 in some woods, he had previously been debunking the weapons of mass destruction narrative and the 45 min missiles.

Had a Russian Government "expert" said the same thing and been found dead in some Russian woods, then we would all of come to the same conclusion ' that Putin had him murdered. For Kelly it wasn't even a question at the time.

The British are more than capable of being anything Russia are and more.

 

[HKOwen]

As I wrote before, WE would not go and repeat a lot the shite he posts on here at his local mosque.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I suppose the UK is a "much better place" if you live in a much better place.

I'm blessed and have a lovely life, like yourself. So we are both probably not the best people to ask how a changing Britain has affected them.

Of course we have to survive the world, but that's easy for you and me to say. Not for many others.

Yes tommorow has gone, but if we continue on this tradrictory, then it will get worse.

With regards to freedom of speech in this country; it's quite evident that people are already self censoring themselves. They would be mad not to do that. The police are turning up at people's door for just viewing Facebook pages.

I don't know much about the press in Russia. I used to watch R T, that was pretty good actually.

When Dr David Kelly died back in 2002 in some woods, he had previously been debunking the weapons of mass destruction narrative and the 45 min missiles.

Had a Russian Government "expert" said the same thing and been found dead in some Russian woods, then we would all of come to the same conclusion ' that Putin had him murdered. For Kelly it wasn't even a question at the time.

The British are more than capable of being anything Russia are and more.

Let's pick that apart.

Yes, I too am blessed by living in a wonderful part of the country. Of which there are many. Freely open to everyone to choose if they wish to. Some would need to make compromises to do so. Others cannot because of family committments. Nevertheless, wherever we live we must adapt and adjust to the realities of a changing world. Attempting to push it back is a futile waste of time and energy.

Whether you perceive it as worse, or just different, is more a state of mind than a reality. You need to adapt, accept and enjoy. Constantly bemoaning change achieves nothing except unhappiness. So don't.

The idea that your freedom of speech has been impacted and restricted is nonsense. It hasn't. The only thing that is happening is that the impact of the modern ways of communication are now being rounded up and put into the mix where hate speech and incitement are illegal. Don't express hate or incite others, in any way, and you don't have issues.

There is no free press in Russia. RT is a mouthpiece for the state.

David Kelly was a strange and very unusual case. It certainly had a fishy smell but where that smell came from is another matter. False flag perhaps? There isn't though a pattern of such events. There is in Russia.

 

[McAhuna]

That the Republican Party are determined to do a hit job on Fauci is disgraceful.

No-one knows for certain what the origins of Covid were and, without the cooperation of China, we will probably never know. That, of course, doesn't stop some people claiming they know but the balance of expert opinion continues not to have a settled opinion.

However, all of that is a political distraction and not the actual subject. Covid did spread. It had no known cure. It was a huge international emergency that demanded, and got, some extremely impressive scientific work that produced effective vaccines very swifty matched with public health restrictions.

As time passed and more was understood the approach was modified but when faced with the unknown with a horrific worst case scenario you don't sit back and worry about the economic impact. You act. We did but that didn't stop the "know everything" key board experts immediately complaining. Some failing to do their duty and participate in the national effort. I continue to feel both anger and shame about some of the attitudes displayed here.

Now we have a very comprehensive enquiry to determine the lessons to be learned from the experience. There are lessons. No-one in such circumstances would ever make 100% correct decisions under that pressure. That said I remain very proud of our response overall and particularly so of the calm way the scientific advisers handled things.

If I was Anthony Fauci I would be ashamed of the way I am being treated. Who would willingly accept that kind of responsibilty in future if you end up being treated like this?

In 100 years, History students will study this level of idiocy.

 

[McAhuna]

 

[Mattconrov]

Let's pick that apart.

Yes, I too am blessed by living in a wonderful part of the country. Of which there are many. Freely open to everyone to choose if they wish to. Some would need to make compromises to do so. Others cannot because of family committments. Nevertheless, wherever we live we must adapt and adjust to the realities of a changing world. Attempting to push it back is a futile waste of time and energy.

Whether you perceive it as worse, or just different, is more a state of mind than a reality. You need to adapt, accept and enjoy. Constantly bemoaning change achieves nothing except unhappiness. So don't.

The idea that your freedom of speech has been impacted and restricted is nonsense. It hasn't. The only thing that is happening is that the impact of the modern ways of communication are now being rounded up and put into the mix where hate speech and incitement are illegal. Don't express hate or incite others, in any way, and you don't have issues.

There is no free press in Russia. RT is a mouthpiece for the state.

David Kelly was a strange and very unusual case. It certainly had a fishy smell but where that smell came from is another matter. False flag perhaps? There isn't though a pattern of such events. There is in Russia.

I wouldn't necessarily say everywhere in Cornwall is great. I'm strongly guessing where you live and your house is very nice. Mine too. Great isn't it. However it wasn't comprising that enabled me to. It costs a lot of money; money many don't have. They are the people that have to by your words, need to adapt quickly.

You talk about understanding different cultures in previous posts and I accept that's not a bad thing. Obviously this works both ways.

I get the impression that you don't have a great understanding of your fellow natives problems in the here and now. It's not a criticism, just an observation.

You have surprised me a little with the paragraph on Dr David Kelly and thank you for it.

 

[Mattconrov]

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An extremely accurate meme.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I wouldn't necessarily say everywhere in Cornwall is great. I'm strongly guessing where you live and your house is very nice. Mine too. Great isn't it. However it wasn't comprising that enabled me to. It costs a lot of money; money many don't have. They are the people that have to by your words, need to adapt quickly.

You talk about understanding different cultures in previous posts and I accept that's not a bad thing. Obviously this works both ways.

I get the impression that you don't have a great understanding of your fellow natives problems in the here and now. It's not a criticism, just an observation.

You have surprised me a little with the paragraph on Dr David Kelly and thank you for it.

No not everywhere in Cornwall is great. Camborne and Redruth being examples of ex mining towns. They do though provide cheaper accomodation and easy access to places that are great. I own rental propertties in Camborne and was with one, very happy, tenant of mine yesterday. He is working nights in a fish processing factory. Not the most glamorous job, but he has an active social life too, loves his own fishing and the nearby coast.

I have always fully accepted the need for those arriving here with a different cultural background to respect and honour ours. I did it myself when I lived abroad for a few years and, to a much lesser degree, when I settled here. If you have ever read my arguments about this you will know I have very strong views on how to achieve this. I have zero tolerance for those who fail to adapt. Those who choose to live here must accept all that exists here.

I also fully recognise that many areas, and the people living within them, face greater daily challenges than I do. I had family living in Southall when the "Indians" arrived. They adapted by moving to Cornwall! They ought not to have needed to, but had the choice, and the determination, to do so and built a very successful business as a consequence.

 

[Mattconrov]

No not everywhere in Cornwall is great. Camborne and Redruth being examples of ex mining towns. They do though provide cheaper accomodation and easy access to places that are great. I own rental propertties in Camborne and was with one, very happy, tenant of mine yesterday. He is working nights in a fish processing factory. Not the most glamorous job, but he has an active social life too, loves his own fishing and the nearby coast.

I have always fully accepted the need for those arriving here with a different cultural background to respect and honour ours. I did it myself when I lived abroad for a few years and, to a much lesser degree, when I settled here. If you have ever read my arguments about this you will know I have very strong views on how to achieve this. I have zero tolerance for those who fail to adapt. Those who choose to live here must accept all that exists here.

I also fully recognise that many areas, and the people living within them, face greater daily challenges than I do. I had family living in Southall when the "Indians" arrived. They adapted by moving to Cornwall! They ought not to have needed to, but had the choice, and the determination, to do so and built a very successful business as a consequence.

To be fair to your family in Southall; a lot of people including Indians prefer to live with their "own kind".

You and me are the same in the respect that it doesn't worry us. However if you live in semi affluent area's like mine, then we won't experience issues of diversity, in the same way we would in west Croydon or Thornton heath.

I have a few Cornish relatives, my dads sister married a man from the Isles of scilly. A beautiful place. I spent every holiday on the 70s and 80s either in Penzance or on the island.

Fun fact, I fly on the helicopter to the island 3 weeks after the crash. There was even a women on the flight that had survived the crash.