Reform

[Hrolf The Ganger]

How so?

Farage is the primary reason why Reform is a political force.

The establishment, including all the other political parties, wants him gone because they know he is the main threat to all of them.
You are falling into the trap of being influenced by their constant dirty tricks campaign.

Farage is still the man to win. At the very least, Reform will have a significant number of seats in the next Parliament under his leadership. The Burnham bounce will fade when people realise that his big talk is exactly that. Any major plans will cost big money and that means more tax.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Reform were humiliated in Manchester yesterday with a result in the second ballot run off for Mayor that is a clear pointer of the immediate future of UK politics.

Neither Labour nor Reform got past 50% on the first count but when the second preferences were added Labour had almost double that of Reform.

What that tells us is that those determined to keep Reform out outnumber those prepared to accept them as a second choice.

Whilst no votes get transferred at a GE this still has a major lesson. There will be tactical voting on an unprecedented scale as people vote to ensure they don’t get something, rather than that they do.

 

[Spindle]

It's the opposite, he IS Reform

 

[Spindle]

Reform were humiliated in Manchester yesterday with a result in the second ballot run off for Mayor that is a clear pointer of the immediate future of UK politics.

Neither Labour nor Reform got past 50% on the first count but when the second preferences were added Labour had almost double that of Reform.

What that tells us is that those determined to keep Reform out outnumber those prepared to accept them as a second choice.

Whilst no votes get transferred at a GE this still has a major lesson. There will be tactical voting on an unprecedented scale as people vote to ensure they don’t get something, rather than that they do.

All it shows is how consumed we are with immigration

Historically, and in recent 2026 modeling, Black and South Asian communities in urban centers (such as Manchester, Oldham, and Rochdale) heavily anchor the Labour vote.

In areas with dense British-Muslim populations (like parts of East Manchester), a portion of the traditional Labour vote fractured toward independent or anti-establishment candidates driven by dissatisfaction with mainstream stances on foreign policy.

In sharp contrast to Labour’s urban, diverse support base, YouGov and Find Out Now data consistently projected that Reform UK's candidate, Sian Astley, drew overwhelmingly from white, older, and working-class demographics. Reform performed strongest in outlying Greater Manchester boroughs with lower ethnic diversity, contrasting sharply with the multi-ethnic core of Manchester city centre.

The defining metric of the 2026 by-election was the historically low 25.14% turnout


Its obvious to those not gaslit

 

[Matov]

All it shows is how consumed we are with immigration

Historically, and in recent 2026 modeling, Black and South Asian communities in urban centers (such as Manchester, Oldham, and Rochdale) heavily anchor the Labour vote.

In areas with dense British-Muslim populations (like parts of East Manchester), a portion of the traditional Labour vote fractured toward independent or anti-establishment candidates driven by dissatisfaction with mainstream stances on foreign policy.

In sharp contrast to Labour’s urban, diverse support base, YouGov and Find Out Now data consistently projected that Reform UK's candidate, Sian Astley, drew overwhelmingly from white, older, and working-class demographics. Reform performed strongest in outlying Greater Manchester boroughs with lower ethnic diversity, contrasting sharply with the multi-ethnic core of Manchester city centre.

The defining metric of the 2026 by-election was the historically low 25.14% turnout


Its obvious to those not gaslit

We are effectively on the path to full-on sectarianism. That is going to be the reality for the rest of what i am now convinced is the last century in which the UK, as we understand it, exists.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

All it shows is how consumed we are with immigration

Historically, and in recent 2026 modeling, Black and South Asian communities in urban centers (such as Manchester, Oldham, and Rochdale) heavily anchor the Labour vote.

In areas with dense British-Muslim populations (like parts of East Manchester), a portion of the traditional Labour vote fractured toward independent or anti-establishment candidates driven by dissatisfaction with mainstream stances on foreign policy.

In sharp contrast to Labour’s urban, diverse support base, YouGov and Find Out Now data consistently projected that Reform UK's candidate, Sian Astley, drew overwhelmingly from white, older, and working-class demographics. Reform performed strongest in outlying Greater Manchester boroughs with lower ethnic diversity, contrasting sharply with the multi-ethnic core of Manchester city centre.

The defining metric of the 2026 by-election was the historically low 25.14% turnout


Its obvious to those not gaslit

What’s obvious is that every vote counts as much as every other vote, whatever the background of the voter. Alienating whole communities is not a vote gathering tactic.

 

[georgenorman]

Reform were humiliated in Manchester yesterday with a result in the second ballot run off for Mayor that is a clear pointer of the immediate future of UK politics.

Neither Labour nor Reform got past 50% on the first count but when the second preferences were added Labour had almost double that of Reform.

What that tells us is that those determined to keep Reform out outnumber those prepared to accept them as a second choice.

Whilst no votes get transferred at a GE this still has a major lesson. There will be tactical voting on an unprecedented scale as people vote to ensure they don’t get something, rather than that they do.

Reform humiliated!

On a paltry 25% turnout it had to go to the second stage of the absurd proportional representation system that was used.

The Liberal Democrats incredibly low vote is the humiliation.

 

[Attilio1905]

We are effectively on the path to full-on sectarianism. That is going to be the reality for the rest of what i am now convinced is the last century in which the UK, as we understand it, exists.

We are already there. The existence and casual acceptance of "The Muslim vote", a political force to further that particular religious and ethnic groups interests show us that.

What we, the native Brits of European descent, need is a poltical party that will further our interests and put us first. As is the right of any native majority group, with cultural and historical ties to that country.

I thought Reform and Farage was that political force, but now I'm not so sure.
I appreciate the response to my post questioning whether Farage is the man to lead Reform and agree he has been the figurehead and driving force, but I don't believe he genuinely wants to lead the country. The establishment have done a number on him, but he doesn't seem to have the balls to stand upto them and has made too many concessions.

 

[DanH]

We are already there. The existence and casual acceptance of "The Muslim vote", a political force to further that particular religious and ethnic groups interests show us that.

What we, the native Brits of European descent, need is a poltical party that will further our interests and put us first. As is the right of any native majority group, with cultural and historical ties to that country.

I thought Reform and Farage was that political force, but now I'm not so sure.
I appreciate the response to my post questioning whether Farage is the man to lead Reform and agree he has been the figurehead and driving force, but I don't believe he genuinely wants to lead the country. The establishment have done a number on him, but he doesn't seem to have the balls to stand upto them and has made too many concessions.

Nige has always only ever been in it for himself - both his ego and his wallet. At least big Rupes seems to be doing it for genuine reasons (as much as I am diametrically opposed to his views politically)

 

[Attilio1905]

Nige has always only ever been in it for himself - both his ego and his wallet. At least big Rupes seems to be doing it for genuine reasons (as much as I am diametrically opposed to his views politically)

Reluctantly, I'd have to agree with you somewhat. He has the charisma, says (mostly) the right things and is a great orator. I don't think he expected the sudden success of Reform or really wanted the responsibility that came with it, but what it does show is the appetite from the public for the vision and policies he talks about. I think someone else taking this over and making Reform into a genuine option to lead the country would see them get a landslide victory at the next General Election.

 

[DanH]

Reluctantly, I'd have to agree with you somewhat. He has the charisma, says (mostly) the right things and is a great orator. I don't think he expected the sudden success of Reform or really wanted the responsibility that came with it, but what it does show is the appetite from the public for the vision and policies he talks about. I think someone else taking this over and making Reform into a genuine option to lead the country would see them get a landslide victory at the next General Election.

Agreed. Probably could have been Big Rupes if they hadn’t eaten themselves too.

Matov is really good and on the button with your side of politics - interested to know his take.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I'd be genuinely amazed if Labour won the next election.

Can't see it myself, but if the general public were stupid enough to do that then fair enough.....you get what you pay for ultimately.

 

[eaglesdare]

I'd be genuinely amazed if Labour won the next election.

Can't see it myself, but if the general public were stupid enough to do that then fair enough.....you get what you pay for ultimately.

This Andy burnham fella seems to have a bit of charisma about him and a personality. A lot more than two tier kier. So yeah I wouldn't put it passed labour getting in again.

 

[DanH]

This Andy burnham fella seems to have a bit of charisma about him and a personality. A lot more than two tier kier. So yeah I wouldn't put it passed labour getting in again.

Beware the new manager bounce.

But yeah, he’s far better in what I think people want of a Prime Minister in this day and age.

 

[DanH]

I'd be genuinely amazed if Labour won the next election.

Can't see it myself, but if the general public were stupid enough to do that then fair enough.....you get what you pay for ultimately.

It’s all to play for. Genuinely have no idea what it will look like in a couple of years time.

The two party system is a thing of the past now though I think, which hopefully is only a positive.

 

[Spiderman]

Reform were humiliated in Manchester yesterday with a result in the second ballot run off for Mayor that is a clear pointer of the immediate future of UK politics.

Neither Labour nor Reform got past 50% on the first count but when the second preferences were added Labour had almost double that of Reform.

What that tells us is that those determined to keep Reform out outnumber those prepared to accept them as a second choice.

Whilst no votes get transferred at a GE this still has a major lesson. There will be tactical voting on an unprecedented scale as people vote to ensure they don’t get something, rather than that they do.

How very democratic

 

[Spiderman]

What’s obvious is that every vote counts as much as every other vote, whatever the background of the voter. Alienating whole communities is not a vote gathering tactic.

Seems to have worked in Birmingham

 

[Stirlingsays]

It’s all to play for. Genuinely have no idea what it will look like in a couple of years time.

The two party system is a thing of the past now though I think, which hopefully is only a positive.

 

[DanH]

Hahahaha.

 

[georgenorman]

She looks like a female Burnham - have they been seen in the same room together?