Reform

[Spiderman]

Back on topic, imo you have to do these things:
1) stop the illegal entries, the only 2 ways I can see would be a) turn the boats back to France: b) have a deterrent, which Rwanda was one and should have been given a chance

2) Detain all illegal entrants in camps and not allow them the freedom to roam ( given that we do not know who many at are, is this unreasonable?)

3) If their countries of origin refuse to issue them with documentation or refuse to accept their return, then immediately stop any International Aid and refuse to issue any further visas.

4) We have to repeal or significantly change the HRA and not allow the ourselves to be dictated to by the European Courts.
Unfortunately I can’t see the political will to undertake any of the above. I know Shabana Mahmood implemented #3 on a few countries but only those which cause us few problems ie Chad.

 

[DanH]

It wasn't abusive, it was just supercilious hypocrisy.

Why don't just stop being abusive?

There is a difference between debate and abuse, you even whine about biased mods.

No one is interested in this, Owen. If you want to be a mod, apply to be one.

 

[HKOwen]

No one is interested in this, Owen. If you want to be a mod, apply to be one.

You speak on behalf of everyone, I didn't know that.

You continue on your merry way and I shall continue on mine.

Back to topic I think

 

[Stirlingsays]

No one is interested in this, Owen. If you want to be a mod, apply to be one.

That's not true.

Your whining certainly peeved me off, definitely as I know you're fine with giving insults.

No issue with that....but the whining about it when it comes to others is disingenuous.

Be one or the other.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Back on topic, imo you have to do these things:
1) stop the illegal entries, the only 2 ways I can see would be a) turn the boats back to France: b) have a deterrent, which Rwanda was one and should have been given a chance

2) Detain all illegal entrants in camps and not allow them the freedom to roam ( given that we do not know who many at are, is this unreasonable?)

3) If their countries of origin refuse to issue them with documentation or refuse to accept their return, then immediately stop any International Aid and refuse to issue any further visas.

4) We have to repeal or significantly change the HRA and not allow the ourselves to be dictated to by the European Courts.
Unfortunately I can’t see the political will to undertake any of the above. I know Shabana Mahmood implemented #3 on a few countries but only those which cause us few problems ie Chad.

Once Blair's laws are ditched, we can just make a deal with the Congo or similar country.

I'm sure they would love the dosh and it wouldn't have to be limited in numbers as it is operating under the current highly restrictive deportation rules.

 

[Willo]

Back on topic, imo you have to do these things:
1) stop the illegal entries, the only 2 ways I can see would be a) turn the boats back to France: b) have a deterrent, which Rwanda was one and should have been given a chance

2) Detain all illegal entrants in camps and not allow them the freedom to roam ( given that we do not know who many at are, is this unreasonable?)

3) If their countries of origin refuse to issue them with documentation or refuse to accept their return, then immediately stop any International Aid and refuse to issue any further visas.

4) We have to repeal or significantly change the HRA and not allow the ourselves to be dictated to by the European Courts.
Unfortunately I can’t see the political will to undertake any of the above. I know Shabana Mahmood implemented #3 on a few countries but only those which cause us few problems ie Chad.

I and thousands of others on entering Europe have had to register fingerprints at airports then proceed to 'E-Gates' before being allowed to proceed any further. The issue of the long queues has been well documented.
People will be denied entry if they do not meet the criteria.
These darned 'Illegal immigrants' contain many who are from countries that do not share our western values and ethics and of course a significant number could be hardened criminals who have committed a series of heinous crimes. These 'Illegals' are housed and free to roam in our towns and villages !
Personally I believe they should be housed in 'Camps' and not allowed into the community.

 

[DanH]

Once Blair's laws are ditched, we can just make a deal with the Congo or similar country.

I'm sure they would love the dosh and it wouldn't have to be limited in numbers as it is operating under the current highly restrictive deportation rules.

This is the great big plan, is it?

 

[DanH]

That's not true.

Your whining certainly peeved me off, definitely as I know you're fine with giving insults.

No issue with that....but the whining about it when it comes to others is disingenuous.

Be one or the other.

All you do is whine. This isn’t your site. It isn’t Owen’s site.

 

[HKOwen]

Once Blair's laws are ditched, we can just make a deal with the Congo or similar country.

I'm sure they would love the dosh and it wouldn't have to be limited in numbers as it is operating under the current highly restrictive deportation rules.

Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Austria: Following broader EU policy shifts that authorize offshore return centers, these nations are actively negotiating with African countries such as Uganda, Ghana, and Rwanda to host deportation hubs.

Just takes the will to do it.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

No one is interested in this, Owen. If you want to be a mod, apply to be one.

Your recent MO has been to troll every thread with reductive twaddle and bickering.

It's almost like you have finally conceded that you have been historically wrong on just about everything.

 

[Spindle]

Bottom 8% isn't exactly a badge of honour though is it? And actually there are records kept on speaking appearances not just voting.

And that 8% presume includes the 7 sinn fein MPs who have a policy of not appearing in Parliament meaning in reality it's probably nearer the bottom 5 or 6%?

So do you have a line that Farage would have to cross before he'd lose your support?

Is there a limit of immigrants that you'd allow in?

 

[Spindle]

Or just people that actually look at the data before they make a claim.

How Britain voted in the 2024 general election

Using a sample of over 35,000 voters, YouGov looks at how voters voted at the 2024 election across factors like age, gender, class, education, income, work status, housing tenure and their vote at past elections

yougov.com

Education remains a strong indicator of how someone voted, with Labour doing a lot better than the Conservatives amongst those who have a university degree (42% to 18%). By contrast, the Tories performed marginally better than Labour amongst those whose highest level of education attained is GCSEs or lower (31% to 28%).

Reform UK also did significantly better amongst those with a lower level of education receiving 23% of the vote amongst this group, compared to just 8% amongst those with a higher level of education.

The opposite was true for the Lib Dems and Greens who did better amongst those with a higher education.

Once again, the truth is often inconvenient, isn’t it?

I work with plenty of genius nerds who are well educated but also f***ing stupid. I sit next to one, he's lazy too, and the boss knows it so his career isn't good

 

[Spindle]

Never change Hrolf. Never change.

Aside going around calling everybody who doesn't agree with you stupid on the basis of their education, have you actual reasons?

You probably aren't even aware of how closed education used to be before Blair. Having a degree is only a guide that you can do a degree, and many of them are shite pointless and easy degrees anyway that you'd be stupid to take as a career move.

You're very very arrogant.

 

[Spindle]

Not denying anything about the unions but they've not given a huge undeclared gift to someone within becoming an MP. If Reform had any evidence of dubious practice like this they'd be using it now in defence of Farage. They haven't and you are just clutching at straws.

You might see it as dirty politics. Yes I wouldn't deny there are of people who want Farage out but he has a case to answer and he needs to address that.

Fella. Nobody cares except lefties who use up all ammunition. He stands for what many want, they give no shits about who gave him what, because that doesn't affect them.

Keep wasting your time

 

[Spindle]

I seem to recall a lot of research indicating that there is a relationship between the further you travel either way along the political spectrum, the lower the intellect.

Something about the fringes providing hard certainties that simplify complex issues and fit within narrow intellectual bandwidths; but the middle imposes a need for pragmatism and the exercise of reason to process those complex issues.

That is, commies and fascists are as dim as each other.

Two sides of the same coin, which they'll both deny

 

[Spindle]

It is hardly surprising, therefore that Chancellor Rachel Reeves then declared at the LFI (labour friends of Israel) annual lunch that progressive individuals should “unapologetically” be Zionists.

The route, including Andy Burnham, to the top of the labour party is by this method it seems.

😎

Even when it's about Farage donations you bring in Jew hate

 

[Spindle]

Too scared to stand themselves because they know they would lose......but quite happy to fund Binface.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2075224621859717438

They are willing to make a mockery of government to get their way.

Leftist wankers.

 

[Spindle]

Man arrested for 'threatening to shoot Nigel Farage in the head in social media post'

It comes within a week of the tragic killing of Ann Widdecombe - a political ally of Mr Farage

www.gbnews.com

Man arrested for 'threatening to shoot Nigel Farage in the head in social media post

BBC didn't run this, they're too busy focussing on far right "terror" plots

 

[Spindle]

If you consider it, every single non reform voter can vote for Count Binface. Which will be silly but the media will love it. He would need over fifty percent of the vote to avoid this. Which is unlikely. Plus Binface is all over the media and social media.

I would laugh if he won then turned out to be very right wing

 

[HKOwen]

Even when it's about Farage donations you bring in Jew hate

In his DNA, quite often people this rabidly jew hating have some Jewish ancestry.