Israel v Hamas

eaglesdare said:
I condemn real Israeli excesses where proven. Not from Hamas ministry of truth reporting "facts".

I have seen enough of those videos. Most of them are clips that have been edited to meet Hamas propaganda purposes.

Hamas policy is civilian deaths on both sides for cameras. That’s why they reject every ceasefire that requires disarming.

I would recommend reading that NATO report I linked earlier. It goes over some war crimes by Hamas where they use human shields and other tactics involved and then blame it on Israel.
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You also don’t accept reports of Israeli war crimes from:

The UN.
Doctors, journalists and aid volunteers within Gaza.
Every human rights organisation on the planet.
A litany of governments all around the world.
Video evidence you can watch for yourself.
Nearly all leading authorities on genocide.

It’s almost like you’re not actually interested in the truth and just want to maintain your position supporting the massacre of children.

You’re very overtly creating an impossible threshold for anything to qualify as an Israeli crime, to avoid condemning them. Quite why someone would engage in such a ridiculous exercise to try and justify the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, we can only speculate.

Repeatedly citing one NATO report and then covering your eyes to any other piece of evidence is not a serious approach.

The suggestion that over 60,000 videos are ‘edited for Hamas’ is every bit as ridiculous and dumb as the suggestion that 20,000 dead kids is acceptable because ‘human shields’.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You also don’t accept reports of Israeli war crimes from:

The UN.
Doctors, journalists and aid volunteers within Gaza.
Every human rights organisation on the planet.
A litany of governments all around the world.
Video evidence you can watch for yourself.
Nearly all leading authorities on genocide.

It’s almost like you’re not actually interested in the truth and just want to maintain your position supporting the massacre of children.

You’re very overtly creating an impossible threshold for anything to qualify as an Israeli crime, to avoid condemning them. Quite why someone would engage in such a ridiculous exercise to try and justify the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, we can only speculate.

Repeatedly citing one NATO report and then covering your eyes to any other piece of evidence is not a serious approach.

The suggestion that over 60,000 videos are ‘edited for Hamas’ is every bit as ridiculous and dumb as the suggestion that 20,000 dead kids is acceptable because ‘human shields’.
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I apply the same standard to both in that intent and context both matter. Hamas maximizes civilian deaths and hides behind civilians and children. Israel tries to avoid them while destroying Hamas. That's why one uses human shields and the other warns civilians.

The UN and most "human rights groups when it suits them" have long history of anti Israel bias and double standards. The casualty numbers come straight from terrorist regime. On this point I agreed with silvertop that Israel should allow independent reporters to verify claims. (That's not a direct quote from him but I think it was the gist of what he was saying)

Anyways all this killing can be stopped and it's down to Hamas.
 
eaglesdare said:
I apply the same standard to both in that intent and context both matter. Hamas maximizes civilian deaths and hides behind civilians and children. Israel tries to avoid them while destroying Hamas. That's why one uses human shields and the other warns civilians.

The UN and most "human rights groups when it suits them" have long history of anti Israel bias and double standards. The casualty numbers come straight from terrorist regime. On this point I agreed with silvertop that Israel should allow independent reporters to verify claims. (That's not a direct quote from him but I think it was the gist of what he was saying)

Anyways all this killing can be stopped and it's down to Hamas.
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You’re too indoctrinated to bother - so many demonstrable lies but you’re clearly not interested in truth. You continue to dismiss an absolute avalanche of evidence with weak, vague sound bites like ‘double standards’. It’s not remotely convincing.

Genuinely at a loss why anyone would continue contorting a very obvious reality, all in the name of trying to justify the killing of tens of thousands of children.

Pretty grim really.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You’re too indoctrinated to bother - so many demonstrable lies but you’re clearly not interested in truth. You continue to dismiss an absolute avalanche of evidence with weak, vague sound bites like ‘double standards’. It’s not remotely convincing.

Genuinely at a loss why anyone would continue contorting a very obvious reality, all in the name of trying to justify the killing of tens of thousands of children.

Pretty grim really.
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Want to borrow my mince picture? It saves a lot of time.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You’re too indoctrinated to bother - so many demonstrable lies but you’re clearly not interested in truth. You continue to dismiss an absolute avalanche of evidence with weak, vague sound bites like ‘double standards’. It’s not remotely convincing.

Genuinely at a loss why anyone would continue contorting a very obvious reality, all in the name of trying to justify the killing of tens of thousands of children.

Pretty grim really.
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Hamas maximizes civilian deaths via human shields whereas Israel tries to lower them with warnings. The casualty data is Hamas provided and it ends when Hamas stops. Simple as that. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You’re too indoctrinated to bother - so many demonstrable lies but you’re clearly not interested in truth. You continue to dismiss an absolute avalanche of evidence with weak, vague sound bites like ‘double standards’. It’s not remotely convincing.

Genuinely at a loss why anyone would continue contorting a very obvious reality, all in the name of trying to justify the killing of tens of thousands of children.

Pretty grim really.
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He hasn’t looked at the evidence as many haven’t so how can he have dismissed it. Lots of what you see is propaganda from both sides but he makes a true statement which you have dismissed as an untruth.
Hamas holds the key to stopping the bloodshed on both sides. They started this so they need to end it.
Maybe you need a bigger mirror.
 
cryrst said:
He hasn’t looked at the evidence as many haven’t so how can he have dismissed it. Lots of what you see is propaganda from both sides but he makes a true statement which you have dismissed as an untruth.
Hamas holds the key to stopping the bloodshed on both sides. They started this so they need to end it.
Maybe you need a bigger mirror.
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Glad you agree.

A position based on not looking at the evidence is a bullshit position.
 
cryrst said:
He hasn’t looked at the evidence as many haven’t so how can he have dismissed it. Lots of what you see is propaganda from both sides but he makes a true statement which you have dismissed as an untruth.
Hamas holds the key to stopping the bloodshed on both sides. They started this so they need to end it.
Maybe you need a bigger mirror.
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He thinks Hamas have a right to be armed and attack Israel, simples.

His ideology stops him understanding if Israel was not attacked they would not respond.

I know a couple of people who travel to Israel regularly, The average Israeli wants a peaceful life and is not interested in taking over Gaza. They just want to stop being attacked and their kids being put in harm's way to defend the country.

No point in arguing, his position is fixed and he will not accept any contrary opinion.
 
Hilarious that Team Genocide present mine as the indoctrinated position, despite it being the view held by the vast majority and supported by almost of the evidence.

Their minority held view propped up by the flimsiest of Israeli propaganda is of course the objective take 😂
 
DanH said:
Want to borrow my mince picture? It saves a lot of time.
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Honestly I don’t even think it’s an intelligence thing on this topic - it’s this weird entrenchment where for some reason they think they have to defend Israel, irrespective of what they do.

You can tell from the heavily AI-supported postings he makes, it’s all spin and bluster and misrepresenting - it’s not a lack of intelligence that stops him and others just admitting what we all see, it’s just an unwillingness to admit they were wrong.

It’s the why I don’t get - why on earth would anyone be so desperate to maintain support for this.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Honestly I don’t even think it’s an intelligence thing on this topic - it’s this weird entrenchment where for some reason they think they have to defend Israel, irrespective of what they do.

You can tell from the heavily AI-supported postings he makes, it’s all spin and bluster and misrepresenting - it’s not a lack of intelligence that stops him and others just admitting what we all see, it’s just an unwillingness to admit they were wrong.

It’s the why I don’t get - why on earth would anyone be so desperate to maintain support for this.
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Nice to see you and Walter Mitty getting on so well
 
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