Israel v Hamas

steeleye20 said:
Total support for Israel by the British labour government.

The 'friends of Israel', hold senior cabinet positions the chancellor says she is a zionist.

You can join the Israel military. go there and commit war crimes the UK will not touch you, if you attend a demonstration though you can be arrested and even face 'linkecd' to terrorism charges.

The selling of illegal palestinian land is permitted in the UK sales have taken place in London recently.

Yet support for Israel according to the polls among the general public is now as low as 8%.

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Glad you still post. It reminds us what is under the liberal mask
 
Team Genocide now with the moral posturing while they continue their support of the massacre.

All life is sacred to them, unless it’s a Palestinian one of course.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Team Genocide now with the moral posturing while they continue their support of the massacre.

All life is sacred to them, unless it’s a Palestinian one of course.
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Actual children being indiscriminately killed = fair game and collateral damage. Fetus before 24 weeks = you are unspeakably evil.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Team Genocide now with the moral posturing while they continue their support of the massacre.

All life is sacred to them, unless it’s a Palestinian one of course.
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All life is sacred to the pro-Hamas mob, unless it’s a Jewish one of course.
 
DanH said:
Actual children being indiscriminately killed = fair game and collateral damage. Fetus before 24 weeks = you are unspeakably evil.
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You would never catch Hamas indiscriminately killing actual children would you?
 
georgenorman said:
You would never catch Hamas indiscriminately killing actual children would you?
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No, you definitely would... and everyone would condemn them for it, as we saw in the aftermath of October 7th.

It's a really simple principle to say you condemn war crimes and indiscriminate killing of civilians, regardless of who the offender is.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Team Genocide now with the moral posturing while they continue their support of the massacre.

All life is sacred to them, unless it’s a Palestinian one of course.
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I think it's fair to say that around the world at any one time there are significantly over 100 conflicts.

People are dying in terrible and mostly unjust ways (in the sense that they aren't combatants and so didn't sign up for battle) all over the world at all times.

The Israel/Palestine war/conflict is one of these.

I would say that any innocent who has died in this is entitled to the same regret and sadness regardless. The same for anywhere in the world.

However, I very much doubt that if this country was engaged in a bloody conflict with lots of people dying that middle eastern countries would give two hoots about it.....and to be honest I wouldn't criticise them for it.....Other than a slight interest in humanitarian aid perhaps....it's none of their business.

Purely as a European, I favour Israel based upon them being mostly of European genetics (despite what a lot of them think and tell themselves) and the fact that Israel is.....mostly if not fully a western democracy.

However, the Israeli government is fully engaged in regional wars that it started.....I understand why they are doing it and there is logic....but it means an awful lot of innocent people are going to die and die only because Israel, under their current government (with big public backing) only wants what is best for them. Should I think that's right morally?

As a Brit....nay an Englishman albeit with genes from three out of four of our countries, how engaged should I be in this particular conflict in the middle east?

Surely only insomuch as it effects this nation.....I think that's the right attitude. I'm more interested in the safety of Jews in Britain.

I should support Israel's right to exist, while regarding its war as a regional issue that the west shouldn't really be that involved with....other than ensuring that Israel still exists. That doesn't mean supporting wars it starts itself with its big brother.

Though I will say that because America is a Nato ally who pay for the majority of it, they should have had the use of our bases from the start.....but no British involvement in actively attacking Iran.

However, if Iran are going to make us pay financially for using the strait then that does change things.....That can't be allowed to happen.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
No, you definitely would... and everyone would condemn them for it, as we saw in the aftermath of October 7th.

It's a really simple principle to say you condemn war crimes and indiscriminate killing of civilians, regardless of who the offender is.
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It’s also simple (in every sense of the word) to accuse combatants of war crimes, indiscriminate killing and genocide.
 
georgenorman said:
It’s also simple (in every sense of the word) to accuse combatants of war crimes, indiscriminate killing and genocide.
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It can be, sure.

But I would suggest that when the majority of genocide experts in the world agree it is indeed a genocide, that's not quite so simple an accusation.

But what do they know, hey?
 
eaglesdare said:
I posted a report from NATO which details them using civilians as body shields. Completely ignored by the pro Hamas lot.
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If I sat her waiting for comment on every Israeli atrocity, I'd have to take it up as a full time job. I shared a link with 60,000+ videos evidencing such acts... completely ignored by Team Genocide.

It's really, really simple; I condemn all atrocities committed by Hamas, including the use of human shields that you have linked. I also condemn the atrocities committed by Israel, of which there are an enormous amount that I have linked.

Watch the videos - you should at least know what you're defending.
 
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