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Think this is going well for you?
Stirlingsays
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If that's what is being suggested It's a debunked point anyway and more than a little dim.
If he's trying to say that intelligence and being left wing are related then how does he explain Russia's or China's education system? Both are nationalist and both are higher performers in maths and the hard sciences.
The answer is obvious.
Successful people are much more likely to take on the politics of the establishment as that gives them more opportunities and jobs. So there is an inherent incentive for intelligent people to conform to those narratives. These are social pressures and they exist within all different societies with very different politics.
It's boring having to make this point again....You'd think that an intelligent person would instinctively understand this.
Post some data to back up your hypothesis then, big boy.
Interesting that you choose authoritarian dictatorships to try and prove your point rather than democracies.
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It's boring that I have to point out the stunningly obvious.....I mean even from our own history when universities were very conservative the obvious connection is that people socially conform to what makes them successful in the era that they exist in.
Intelligence correlates with fitting the local establishment/power structure and cultural toolkit, not a fixed ideology.
Anyway to prove my point.
China has more people currently enrolled in higher education than the entire US student population.
They are not left wing nor socially liberal.
From Grok.
- High performance: China (select provinces like Beijing-Shanghai-Jiangsu-Zhejiang), Singapore, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan consistently rank at or near the top in PISA (math, science, reading) and TIMSS. Russia performs solidly above many Western averages in math/science. East Asian countries often lead in international assessments.
ejmste.com - These strengths align with strong national average IQ estimates (typically 100–108+ in East Asia vs. ~98–102 in much of Europe/North America, depending on the dataset), though cultural factors (effort, rote learning, parental pressure, education systems) explain a large share beyond raw g-factor differences.
researchgate.net
That’s a very selective copy and pasting from Elon’s sexbot, old boy.
Stirlingsays
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It should be interesting to you certainly, because the truth is important, not myth.
It's not about the ideology, liberal or otherwise.
Intelligence is correlated to success...income etc....it's not an absolute by any means.....but it's probably the highest fitting correlations than any other.
Success being fitting in with the establishment to gain the most opportunities and so on. Whatever the establishment politics of the time, place and era, you will find the majority of intelligent people following it.....Again, it's not true for everybody, it's just the expected trend.
This is natural law 101.
Why do I have to state such fecking obvious stuff.
Stirlingsays
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FFS...
Are you in denial of the reality of South Asian statistics now?
Russia tech in certain areas is more advanced than western....with far less resources.
Stirlingsays
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This nonsense says more about left wing echo chambers than anything else.....A chamber which very much excludes anything that challenges their ideas.
Most actually intelligent left wing people understand all this. I remember Jamie Martin discussing all this a long time ago.
You don't even need the statistics, even though they are there.....you just need to actually think about it.
There are actual interesting discussions about why people's politics are what they are but it isn't this one.
Most actually intelligent left wing people understand all this. I remember Jamie Martin discussing all this a long time ago.
You don't even need the statistics, even though they are there.....you just need to actually think about it.
There are actual interesting discussions about why people's politics are what they are but it isn't this one.
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Not denying anything about the unions but they've not given a huge undeclared gift to someone within becoming an MP. If Reform had any evidence of dubious practice like this they'd be using it now in defence of Farage. They haven't and you are just clutching at straws.
You might see it as dirty politics. Yes I wouldn't deny there are of people who want Farage out but he has a case to answer and he needs to address that.
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I seem to recall a lot of research indicating that there is a relationship between the further you travel either way along the political spectrum, the lower the intellect.
Something about the fringes providing hard certainties that simplify complex issues and fit within narrow intellectual bandwidths; but the middle imposes a need for pragmatism and the exercise of reason to process those complex issues.
That is, commies and fascists are as dim as each other.
Stirlingsays
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It might be enjoyable trolling for whatever side in politics engages with it....I'm all for a bit of a troll as we know.
But it isn't anything to take seriously.
There are certainly personality traits that are more common dependent upon someone's politics but it's definitely not absolute....like most things.
Someone's politics is more a factor of family culture and upbringing, early influences, personality traits, age/experiences and genetics (which somewhat determine personality traits).....probably in that order. But if you want to be successful many people will adapt to whatever gives them the most opportunities in the field they enter.....It's true for any era and any place.
I've met very intelligent people with very different politics and I'm sure plenty of people experience that.....in many times because families contain multiple different lines and cultures, including the political to whatever degree it's held.
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Forest Hillbilly
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The whole of the British Political system is full to the brim of lazy c-units taking joe public for a ride. If you think any political party is rooting for you, think again. They are in it for themselves.
Expenses
Second jobs
fact-finding holidays to far away places.
Lobbying/donations
If you think any political party is not up to it's neck in exploitation of the system to recoup maximum financial reward for themselves, you need to do more investigation and be more aware.
Expenses
Second jobs
fact-finding holidays to far away places.
Lobbying/donations
If you think any political party is not up to it's neck in exploitation of the system to recoup maximum financial reward for themselves, you need to do more investigation and be more aware.
Stirlingsays
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No wonder I'm thick.
I don't think commies and fascists are thick at all.....Not that I think they work due to too much statism and violence.
Regardless what is a communist or fascist is situational to the ruling political regime and environment of the time.
They are both reactions to the establishment....and if it's failing then you see a rise in both (or versions of them anyway)....well originally fascism was a reaction to communism but we don't need to get into that.
Aren't you being a bit stereotypical towards these ideologies? What is sensible politics and what is extreme being very much an individual opinion. For example in Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia the same thing could have been said in reverse.
sorry mate but saint Nigel has some very dubious property transactions that you are conveniently ignoring.
He supposedly 'owns' 5 properties but has only declared 2 via parliamentary records. 2 of those not declared were via his company Thorn in the Side, of which he is the sole director. Therefore, it is difficult to argue he is not the ultimate owner of these properties.
Then there is the Clacton house which i believe costs c £900k. This was supposedly purchased by his girlfriend despite him previously telling the press that he was in the process of purchasing a property in Clacton. She has no significant funds and her parents are not overly rich. It is pretty obvious that Nige has done this to avoid stamp duty on a 2nd home.
HMRC-regulated money laundering checks are mandatory legal requirements when buying a property in the UK. They are conducted by your estate agent and conveyancing solicitor to verify your identity and confirm the lawful origin of your funds to prevent financial crime.
How did the girlfriend get around this? Please don't say Nige has gifted her the money with no strings attached, he doesn't pay for anything.
Incidentally Ange has paid the additional stamp duty, unlike Nige.
Stirlingsays
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Alas much truth lies within your observation.
Where there is money as a motivation, there is corruption.
CPFCSaturn
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Absolutely this is true, but a £5m personal 'gift' is unprecedented, even in the context of the wider corruption and greed of politicians.
Stirlingsays
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The need for Farage to provide security to himself and his family is very apparent.
As he said, that money means he never has to worry again.
As he stated the state lowered his security budget by 70 percent after the Charlie Kirk assassination.
So I'm fine with it.
However lobbying criticisms are a valid thing to look into.....if Farage has enabled any law change for his donor(s).
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Farage has moved onto claiming it's nobody's business what he spends it on - he seems to have already given up the obviously bs security story.
Stirlingsays
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'Moved on'?
He literally stated it yesterday.
Two things can be true at once.
What is the evidence it's BS? Farage is up there with the most attacked political figures.