Main Stand redevelopment thread

[mountaineagle]

Our home crowds that promotion season were terrible, think we only got 20k plus a few times, and they were when the title was close

I started attending late 80's. 10,000 was a good gate then. In our promotion year 89 would get 17,000 for the big games like when man city played. Think we had 24,000 for teh play off return with Swindon and a sell out 30k for the play off v Blackburn. Certainly in a different place now, though the fact that now living in Northern Ireland I was able to get tickets for FA cup final and conference eventually through club shows our supporter base still realtively small compared to others.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Why would you suppose that it would have 8000 empty seats?

West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal, City and Everton all fill their big new stadiums holding 60k most weeks.

Why wouldn't we fill 40k?

I don't suppose that we would have empty seats. I just don't presume that we would certainly fill a 40000+ ground, either. Perhaps we would. We just don't know.

There isn't a published waiting list for season tickets, so its hard to gauge demand. And demand is the only viable reason for expanding the ground. Image and prestige are excellent side effects of a successful expansion but they are not, in isolation, viable reasons to do it because (firstly) those things don't pay for the work and (secondly) we will gain neither if, it turns out, the seats don't get sold out.

My point was that whereas some clubs have built or been gifted very large stadiums and then had to come up with financially inefficient schemes to try and fill it, at least if we build Selhurst stand-by-stand we can test the extent of demand as we go.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I don't suppose that we would have empty seats. I just don't presume that we would certainly fill a 40000+ ground, either. Perhaps we would. We just don't know.

There isn't a published waiting list for season tickets, so its hard to gauge demand. And demand is the only viable reason for expanding the ground. Image and prestige are excellent side effects of a successful expansion but they are not, in isolation, viable reasons to do it because (firstly) those things don't pay for the work and (secondly) we will gain neither if, it turns out, the seats don't get sold out.

My point was that whereas some clubs have built or been gifted very large stadiums and then had to come up with financially inefficient schemes to try and fill it, at least if we build Selhurst stand-by-stand we can test the extent of demand as we go.

There is no certainty in anything.

Building stand by stand is exactly what is happening. That is inevitable when upgrading an existing stadium.
I don't claim to know the issues that will arise when upgrading the Whitehorse, but I'm sure it would be a lot cheaper and quicker than the Main Stand, particularly if provision for such a project has been built in already. The return required for ticket sales will be lower and we could therefore sell the extra seats at a lower price.

The waiting list for season tickets is around 9,000. That already fills the new capacity and then some.
We could increase the provision for away fans if necessary. It's all money in the bank.

 

[Timtwowheels]

The Whitehorse was never going to be prioritized over the Main Stand. I think Parish once suggested that any further upgrades would be left to the next owners.
My opinion is that we will have no choice but to remain in the arms race of stadium building if we are to keep up with our rivals.

Whitehorse is due to reduce in capacity by losing the front 8 rows to extend the pitch length to UEFA standards. This is scheduled to happen when the floodlights are removed, so I'm guessing it will be one of the last things to happen. Capacity at that end will be reduced by c. 1,000 seats and I'm assuming that there may be a >10 feet high wall at the end of the pitch once this is completed. Personally, I don't see how attracting big games to Selhurst will outweigh the lost season Ticket revenue? Will we have the infrastructure to attract tournament games ahead of other London Clubs? I wouldn't have thought so, but what do I know.

 

[mtp1958]

None of us know the final plan , would image someone has done a final drawing of what the ground will look like when all stands completed ,

sainsbury's is a major issue which we all know , but it would be great to see how it would look even with sainsbury's still there

 

[Cucking Funt]

Has it been built yet?

 

[mtp1958]

Has it been built yet?

Opens for viewings tomorrow 😎

 

[mtp1958]

What would be good is those who have a season ticket for that stand , when completed . Have a free tour before it opens officially for use , they have to do safety checks anyway , Everton had different areas tested by supporters , and a womens game , its the only way to find out if there is any niggles when supporters are there

 

[est1905]

None of us know the final plan , would image someone has done a final drawing of what the ground will look like when all stands completed ,

sainsbury's is a major issue which we all know , but it would be great to see how it would look even with sainsbury's still there

I dont see why Palace and Sainsbury cant work together to revamp the Whitehorse. Once redeveloped Sainsbury would be set for many years to come without any need of updating their store and Palace get to complete the stadium without opposition. Its a win/win. Owning the freehold of Selhurst Park gives the owners so much space to do what they want to do. I'm sure they can easily accommodate Sainsbury and still get the design/facilities they want.

 

[ASCPFC]

I dont see why Palace and Sainsbury cant work together to revamp the Whitehorse. Once redeveloped Sainsbury would be set for many years to come without any need of updating their store and Palace get to complete the stadium without opposition. Its a win/win. Owning the freehold of Selhurst Park gives the owners so much space to do what they want to do. I'm sure they can easily accommodate Sainsbury and still get the design/facilities they want.

They could have a Palace merchandise aisle.

 

[mtp1958]

They could have a Palace merchandise aisle.

New club shop if a shirt is out of date can go put it in the bargain bin , and you get nectar points as well

 

[Painter]

I dont see why Palace and Sainsbury cant work together to revamp the Whitehorse. Once redeveloped Sainsbury would be set for many years to come without any need of updating their store and Palace get to complete the stadium without opposition. Its a win/win. Owning the freehold of Selhurst Park gives the owners so much space to do what they want to do. I'm sure they can easily accommodate Sainsbury and still get the design/facilities they want.

Sainsbury's own the freehold of the site, they occupy. They have no reason to sell or move, they aren't interested in football.
Worrying about WHL stand is pointless, I would be more concerned that the main stand will be completed. If we get relegated next season, I envisage a pull back on the main stand, due to revenue drop.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Whitehorse is due to reduce in capacity by losing the front 8 rows to extend the pitch length to UEFA standards. This is scheduled to happen when the floodlights are removed, so I'm guessing it will be one of the last things to happen. Capacity at that end will be reduced by c. 1,000 seats and I'm assuming that there may be a >10 feet high wall at the end of the pitch once this is completed. Personally, I don't see how attracting big games to Selhurst will outweigh the lost season Ticket revenue? Will we have the infrastructure to attract tournament games ahead of other London Clubs? I wouldn't have thought so, but what do I know.

The seats lost are being replaced by new seats between the Holmesdale and the Arthur Waite. That has been in the public domain for ages.

 

[Phil’s Barber]

Whitehorse is due to reduce in capacity by losing the front 8 rows to extend the pitch length to UEFA standards. This is scheduled to happen when the floodlights are removed, so I'm guessing it will be one of the last things to happen. Capacity at that end will be reduced by c. 1,000 seats and I'm assuming that there may be a >10 feet high wall at the end of the pitch once this is completed. Personally, I don't see how attracting big games to Selhurst will outweigh the lost season Ticket revenue? Will we have the infrastructure to attract tournament games ahead of other London Clubs? I wouldn't have thought so, but what do I know.

Google suggests that the WHL stand has approximately 20 rows of seating, so losing 8 and leaving only 12 rows is going to be significant. It will look pretty pathetic and will be crying out for redevelopment.

 

[Part Time James]

Google suggests that the WHL stand has approximately 20 rows of seating, so losing 8 and leaving only 12 rows is going to be significant. It will look pretty pathetic and will be crying out for redevelopment.

Pop the away fans in it

 

[silvertop]

Sainsburys are our tenants, right?

At the end of their contractual term, we can block their right to a new lease on the ground that we intend to use the site ourselves.

However, it appears that Sainsburys had a financial involvement in the current redevelopment. This suggests that they will be here for the longer term.

 

[Fatherken]

Pop the away fans in it

totally agree the away fans always use to be behind the goal when I first went to football back in 19frosentodeath

 

[cyprussteve]

Some one posted pics showing houses being knock down a week or so ago.
Anything else happen does any one know

 

[doombear]

Some one posted pics showing houses being knock down a week or so ago.
Anything else happen does any one know

Given the current weather, we're probably into the siesta season.

 

[ASCPFC]

More talk on this thread than there is serious work going on.