Israel v Hamas

[georgenorman]

So your response to me highlighting the whatabouttery is to ask me what I think about something else that's miles off the point.

This isn't a Holy War where you have to pick between Jews and Muslims.

It kind of is really.

 

[cryrst]

So your response to me highlighting the whatabouttery is to ask me what I think about something else that's miles off the point.

This isn't a Holy War where you have to pick between Jews and Muslims.

Well you have haven’t you. I don’t recall any horror from Pakistan and Afghanistan shooting each others civilians. Why is Israel any different. It is about Jews really isn’t it.

 

[Spindle]

I understand why you'd be desperate to talk about literally anything else, but this thread is about the conflict between Israel and Hamas, which has also expanded to include Lebanon.

If you want to hear people's views on other topics, you are welcome to start a thread and those who wish to will contribute.

This sort of whatabouttery should be laughed out of any serious discussion - the worst form of 'debate'.

So it's expanded to all Jew killing, that's alright, but neighbouring Arab on Arab killing. No, it's OT

 

[Spindle]

Its genocide-supporting followers must include the 'labour friends of Israel'.

From Starmer's LBC interview that it was alright for Israel to starve and cut off essential services to innocent women and children in gaza in 'self-defence' then look at what has happened.

I'm relieved I did not vote for him.

A lobby for a foreign power at the heart of the British government.

😎

Bit rich given the Muslim independents and the Muslim greens.

 

[Spindle]

So your response to me highlighting the whatabouttery is to ask me what I think about something else that's miles off the point.

This isn't a Holy War where you have to pick between Jews and Muslims.

It is. How can't you see that.

"Hey not cool, we're on the same side"
"No we're not"
"Yes we are"
"We're not"

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich calls for the immediate establishment of Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip’s northern perimeter, claiming nearly 70% of the strip is already occupied by the Israeli military. (al jazeera 29.6.26)

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Well you have haven’t you. I don’t recall any horror from Pakistan and Afghanistan shooting each others civilians. Why is Israel any different. It is about Jews really isn’t it.

How many people are innocently killed around the world a day? Do we just sit here and endlessly condemn all of them until we can talk about Israel doing it..?

I think killing of civilians is wrong in nearly all circumstances, particularly when you are talking tens of thousands of women and children. I condemn the killing of civilians whether it's carried out by terrorist groups, or by advanced militaries who purport to belong to a civilised western democracy.

The irony is, while you continue to shamelessly imply antisemitism for criticising a state committing a litany of war crimes, which many people argue amounts to a genocide... you yourself continue to display your own blatant prejudices in not giving a single s*** about the tens of thousands of Muslim and Arab children being massacred. In fact, you seem to justify and support their murder.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

So it's expanded to all Jew killing, that's alright, but neighbouring Arab on Arab killing. No, it's OT

No, it's a thread about Israel's military action in the region - to remind you yet again, Israel and Jews are not interchangeable terms. The conflation of the two is antisemitic.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

It is. How can't you see that.

"Hey not cool, we're on the same side"
"No we're not"
"Yes we are"
"We're not"

Mainly because I'm not a 4-year old watching an action movie.

 

[Spindle]

Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich calls for the immediate establishment of Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip’s northern perimeter, claiming nearly 70% of the strip is already occupied by the Israeli military. (al jazeera 29.6.26)

One minute it's apartheid and a prison, next they don't want Jews moving in.

 

[Spindle]

No, it's a thread about Israel's military action in the region - to remind you yet again, Israel and Jews are not interchangeable terms. The conflation of the two is antisemitic.

No it's Israel Vs Hamas. Hezbollah are a different group of scumbags

 

[Spindle]

Mainly because I'm not a 4-year old watching an action movie.

Indeed. A 4 year old isn't hating one race, unless they're in a Gazan school.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Indeed. A 4 year old isn't hating one race, unless they're in a Gazan school.

I hate murdering, genocidal maniacs of all races.

You don't seem to mind them as long as your algorithm tells you they're the good guys.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

One minute it's apartheid and a prison, next they don't want Jews moving in.

I can't believe you're this dumb 🤣

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

People's opinions are formed by their background and the information that is put before them.
Israeli Government v Hamas is very quickly highlighting the huge gaps in media coverage and information available to the general public.
A few things to clear up
Israeli Government actions are distinctly different from the Israeli population opinions. (check the % population make-up of Israel. Not all of them are Jews. And not all votes for Government) Also refer to to illegal Iraq war under Blair to see how many of the UK population backed UK military actions

Accidents killing civilians occur. Mass murder and displacement is a war crime, no matter how much you try to hide it. Didn't the Israeli Government learn anything from Nazi mistakes ?

 

[Stirlingsays]

People's opinions are formed by their background and the information that is put before them.
Israeli Government v Hamas is very quickly highlighting the huge gaps in media coverage and information available to the general public.
A few things to clear up
Israeli Government actions are distinctly different from the Israeli population opinions. (check the % population make-up of Israel. Not all of them are Jews. And not all votes for Government) Also refer to to illegal Iraq war under Blair to see how many of the UK population backed UK military actions

Accidents killing civilians occur. Mass murder and displacement is a war crime, no matter how much you try to hide it. Didn't the Israeli Government learn anything from Nazi mistakes ?

The whole thing is a tragedy.

As usual in wars, the first victim is innocence and many many innocent people die for war aims.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

The whole thing is a tragedy.

As usual in wars, the first victim is innocence and many many innocent people die for war aims.

The second victim is truth.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The second victim is truth.

Most innocence is easier to know than truth.

Truth can be disconnected from morality.

Innocence cannot.

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Was Hitler really all bad ? maybe he was just trying too much to look after his people.

Hitler did so many good things people overlook. Probably because they're racist 🙄

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Corbyn just said that it's the bullets and bombs killing people and not any IDF forces. He said that he "can't stress this point enough".

LOL I've just worked out where you got this from.

You've been done up an absolute kipper 🤣