Immigration

CPFCSaturn said:
I don't believe so either, but I also don't think changes to our immigration policy alone are going to materially improve people's lives the way they seem to think. I think the last 12m supports that.

We have far bigger national issues, in my opinion.
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What would that be? And please don't take us for absolute idiots and say the "far right".
 
Jordan555x said:
Sweden, Spain and Italy are up there. Probably not as bad as us but no surprises the political landscape is shifting to the right in Spain and Sweden, Italy is already there. People are well and truly fed up with this progressive libtard ideology.
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Sweden, nice, friendly social system and everyone working for the common good tax pool etc. They decided to take a benevolent attitude to Islamic immigration...........and they are now totally screwed without a taking a hard approach to repatriation whether born in Sweden or not to foreign born parents.

If the man of the house is a criminal the whole family gets deported, we need same in the UK.
 
ASCPFC said:
I actually think it would be fair to offer people a chance. Register everyone properly when they enter. Have strict interviews/ investigations within an agreed timeframe. Then if problematic, or even not supporting themselves, unfortunately time to go. No matter where you're from.
As for asylum seekers. Simply keep them safe from harm. No other supports. Give them immediate leave to work. Similar scenario.
There are countless solutions the government won't consider because they are ruled by ideology. People can probably think of fairer solutions than mine.
Anyone not admitting where they're from or impersonating a child: immediate removal to where they originated on the journey.
Any criminal activity of a certain threshold, leave to remain for them and all dependants revoked.
Is that fascist?
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The first thing I would do is redefine "asylum" back to the original intent. Over the decades court and governments have stretched it's meaning far wider than was originally intended.

The original intent was aimed at the Soviet bloc (government) victimising high profile dissident campaigners like Solzhenitsyn. Today it seems anyone with a hard life is eligible. I don't believe we need to leave the ECHR or the UN to do this as many countries have far more restricted views on what is consider a valid asylum claim.

I would also ban asylum seekers from any benefits or housing even after their application is approved.* This may sound hard but back in the day it was charities or individuals who put people up and I don't see why they should be given full access to our benefits system which is the magnet for most people coming here.

*A Czech friend arrived in 1968 she had no financial support from the government and was helped by a charity until she got work.

I would house them in something like a barracks until they were either deported or approved. If approved they could stay in the communal housing camp until they had a job and could afford to move out.

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Jordan555x said:
What would that be?
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For starters;

A completely broken political system which has been hijacked by corporate interests and doesn't act to serve the people. We are served up a fake democracy with the illusion of having a say.

A fiscal system designed to hoover up and hoard wealth amongst a tiny percentage of people at the top.

Free speech restrictions which seem to tighten by the year.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
For starters;

A completely broken political system which has been hijacked by corporate interests and doesn't act to serve the people. We are served up a fake democracy with the illusion of having a say.

A fiscal system designed to hoover up and hoard wealth amongst a tiny percentage of people at the top.

Free speech restrictions which seem to tighten by the year.
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Utter nonsense, it is the very policies that you champion that has got us into this mess.
 
georgenorman said:
Utter nonsense, it is the very policies that you champion that has got us into this mess.
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What policies specifically that I champion, George?

I would argue that the neoliberal economic policies that you champion (and if I recall correctly, want even more of) are the primary cause of our current shitshow.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
What policies specifically that I champion, George?

I would argue that the neoliberal economic policies that you champion (and if I recall correctly, want even more of) are the primary cause of our current shitshow.
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Neo-Liberal? You mean that I want far less government? Yes, indeed I do.
 
www.gbnews.com

Pakistani asylum seeker jailed for 10 years after teenager woman in Nottinghamshire

The migrant lived in numerous countries across Europe
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

"Pakistani asylum seeker jailed for 10 years after raping teenager in Nottinghamshire"

"She was initially raped by another member of the group, before being taken by the Pakistani national to a hidden area and she was subjected to a sexual assault for a second time, Birmingham Crown Court heard last year."
 
eaglesdare said:
www.gbnews.com

Pakistani asylum seeker jailed for 10 years after teenager woman in Nottinghamshire

The migrant lived in numerous countries across Europe
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

"Pakistani asylum seeker jailed for 10 years after raping teenager in Nottinghamshire"

"She was initially raped by another member of the group, before being taken by the Pakistani national to a hidden area and she was subjected to a sexual assault for a second time, Birmingham Crown Court heard last year."
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it's in the genetic code of some men of Pakistani origin , there's your defence.

Now we have to spend probably 500,000 trying and imprisoning this POS
 
eaglesdare said:
www.gbnews.com

Pakistani asylum seeker jailed for 10 years after teenager woman in Nottinghamshire

The migrant lived in numerous countries across Europe
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

"Pakistani asylum seeker jailed for 10 years after raping teenager in Nottinghamshire"

"She was initially raped by another member of the group, before being taken by the Pakistani national to a hidden area and she was subjected to a sexual assault for a second time, Birmingham Crown Court heard last year."
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First thing you need to ask is why is anyone claiming asylum from Pakistan. Second thing you need to ask is why we are fooled by that.
Suspend all claims from Pakistan. It's not a hard concept.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Did you work for the border force!? You should've mentioned 🤣
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The only reasons I mention it, is because I have been called a racist on here, because I have expressed concerns about the high level of immigration, mainly illegal and the way the system is played by “asylum seekers” many of whom are just economic migrants. If I was a racist I would not have lasted 5 minutes in the job. What is amusing is posters on here who think they know about immigration, which they can have only gleaned from MSM and dismiss experience. So be it, whatever suits your narrative
 
HKOwen said:
it's in the genetic code of some men of Pakistani origin , there's your defence.

Now we have to spend probably 500,000 trying and imprisoning this POS
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If he had done this to a Pakistani girl, in Pakistan, he would have been stoned to death. Sorry, I have reverted to my experience again, apologies Saturn
 
HKOwen said:
Sweden, nice, friendly social system and everyone working for the common good tax pool etc. They decided to take a benevolent attitude to Islamic immigration...........and they are now totally screwed without a taking a hard approach to repatriation whether born in Sweden or not to foreign born parents.

If the man of the house is a criminal the whole family gets deported, we need same in the UK.
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What about woman or child? If they are criminals? Or can it only be the man? Wouldn't surprise me if that were the case.
 
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