Immigration

[Wisbech Eagle]

After last nights riots and recent previous troubles it’s plain to see the Government can’t contain and police the angry people if they rise up over mass immigration , I suggest the leaders of this country start to pay attention and listen to those voices that have been ignored and condemned as racist for far too long ..
When did the electorate really ever get to vote or be consulted over mass immigration and its effects on social harmony , Wages , employment , Hospitals , Schools , Benefit costs , Housing , Taxes , Crime and public safety etc etc .
It’s been imposed on this country and most of Europe at break neck speed without consultation or any pre- coherent and constructive planning or consultation with those effected most by it .

There’s now major division between large sections our country that’s growing daily and extremely dangerous in the longterm .
The Government can’t just keep dishing out harsh sentences and lining up to condemn its own people like it has been .
Anarchy is growing in Parliament and UK society at an alarming rate .
Never known it as bad as this and I’m in my mid 60’s ..
The Police bias in the Nowak case and the attempt to publically behead a white man in a Belfast street shows this country is on its knees .
Politicians on the left in particular have tried to stifle debate and play down the pure evil involved .
Describing the attempt at a public beheading as a knife attack and the Nowak case as a simple mix up in Police guidelines whilst accusing Farage of stirring hatred is pathetic , Untrue and undemocratic .

What’s actually plain to see is that right wing agitators are stirring up trouble every time an incident happens. Appalling incidents they are, which are condemned by all, but they are the responsibility of individuals, not communities. Attacking whole communities only makes the problems worse, whatever your view is about immigration.

The effort needs to be in bringing communities together and not widening divides.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I see that Northern Ireland's First Minister and Vice President of Sinn Fein, Michelle O'Neill, condemned the 'outright thuggery', saying that 'groups of masked men burning families out of their homes is nothing less than disgusting cowardice'.
Yeah, you would never catch Sinn Fein/IRA doing that would you?

The same old drone from politicians. They use violent protest as deflection from the results of their own policies. They would call it violent even if nothing happened. They would probably instruct the police to initiate disorder. These are the sort of people we are dealing with.

Burning cars and houses changes nothing. There needs to be more intelligent tactics. Mindless violence only gives them a chance to claim the moral highground.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It is reported he has LTR, that doesn’t necessarily mean he has a passport. From listening to reports on several media outlets, very few journalists actually understand the mechanism of the system. If he held a passport, this will have been examined by Forgery experts, any falsification will have been found and LTR will not have been placed in that as it would have been confiscated. For those claiming asylum, with no genuine docs, LTR can be granted on Official papers ( ie letter) or when full asylum is granted they can be issued with a HOTravel Document, which is not valid for travel to their Country of Origin.

Thanks. Makes sense. He probably then destroyed his passport on arrival and was given a temporary leave to remain whilst his asylum claim is being assessed. Like so many in a long queue and drawn out process. As I have suggested before I think it ought to be a mandatory requirement placed on airlines that anyone flying into the EU, or UK, using a passport from a list of problematic countries that their passport details are matched with their biometrics prior to boarding. If they destroy the passport then we can still identify them, provide documentation and deport.

As biometrics are a requirement of anyone needing a visa surely this ought to be available now.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The same old drone from politicians. They use violent protest as deflection from the results of their own policies. They would call it violent even if nothing happened. They would probably instruct the police to initiate disorder. These are the sort of people we are dealing with.

Burning cars and houses changes nothing. There needs to be more intelligent tactics. Mindless violence only gives them a chance to claim the moral highground.

Don’t be ridiculous. Do you seriously think any politician would be so stupid?

Such instructions would leak to the press before the ink was dry.

You are right though violence changes nothing. It makes things much worse. Who is responsible for that but those stirring up problems on the internet!

 

[Teddy Eagle]

No one place is representative. That’s the point.

Surely the point is that everyone will have a subjective view based on their circumstances and experience and the much vaunted objectivity goes out the window.

 

[Nicholas91]

The same old drone from politicians. They use violent protest as deflection from the results of their own policies. They would call it violent even if nothing happened. They would probably instruct the police to initiate disorder. These are the sort of people we are dealing with.

Burning cars and houses changes nothing. There needs to be more intelligent tactics. Mindless violence only gives them a chance to claim the moral highground.

Yeah it only signals discontent at best, can come at a cost to innocents, and quite frankly will change nothing.

The policies which created this are done with a full on 'f**k you' to the general populous in the first instance. These policies would defy all logic if there was any care or consideration for the population. Further highlights the pointlessness of such actions as smashing up your own community.

I'm not saying nothing should be done btw, something definitely should, but that may only look like a far more extreme playing out of similar events whether it's 'voted in' or not.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The country is in crisis and yet the right are still divided. There has to be a deal done. Anyone who puts this country before political ambition will do what needs to be done. We cannot have leftists or liberals running this country.
A divided right could mean the end of this nation as we know it.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

As can be imagined I don’t regularly look at X these days, given what it has become and have never, until today, checked the contributions of the right wing trouble maker previously known as Mr Yaxley-Lennon. I just did.

Does anyone seriously think this is a good idea?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2064333672572985398

 

[Glazier#1]

As can be imagined I don’t regularly look at X these days, given what it has become and have never, until today, checked the contributions of the right wing trouble maker previously known as Mr Yaxley-Lennon. I just did.

Does anyone seriously think this is a good idea?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2064333672572985398

No doubt his storm troopers will be out to make sure they hijack the events so they descend into riots.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Surely the point is that everyone will have a subjective view based on their circumstances and experience and the much vaunted objectivity goes out the window.

Only if you live in a bubble and are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Just because I live in Cornwall doesn’t mean I am unable to think or have never been, or lived, elsewhere.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Only if you live in a bubble and are incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

Just because I live in Cornwall doesn’t mean I am unable to think or have never been, or lived, elsewhere.

Great. Carry on thinking. When you come up with a solution then let everyone know.

 

[beak]

No doubt his storm troopers will be out to make sure they hijack the events so they descend into riots.

This has quickly changed from being an immigration issue and has has become a witch hunt based on race, the far right only needed a flimsy excuse,a replay of Germany in the 1930s and it is the start of the second English civil war, no longer can we expect respect for democracy the silent majority will have to fight for Law and Order,Democracy and a civilized England.

 

[Glazier#1]

The same old drone from politicians. They use violent protest as deflection from the results of their own policies. They would call it violent even if nothing happened. They would probably instruct the police to initiate disorder. These are the sort of people we are dealing with.

Burning cars and houses changes nothing. There needs to be more intelligent tactics. Mindless violence only gives them a chance to claim the moral highground.

Never mind 'the wrong tactics'.

Burning people out their houses on account of their ethnicity or skin colour is simply wrong; isn't it?

 

[Glazier#1]

This has quickly changed from being an immigration issue and has has become a witch hunt based on race, the far right only needed a flimsy excuse,a replay of Germany in the 1930s and it is the start of the second English civil war, no longer can we expect respect for democracy the silent majority will have to fight for Law and Order,Democracy and a civilized England.

No doubt Stirling will come on and say:

"Germany, Germany, Germany! Why does everyone go on about Germany?!"

 

[ASCPFC]

How exactly is it any different to BLM? Except for skin colour and the fact that there's barely been any violence. Certainly no deaths, or attacks on people for skin colour. Certainly no taking the knee by the authorities. In fact, just threats. The authorities are escalating this.
They could, for instance, have followed through on a coherent plan and strategy for immigration decades ago. They could even do something now.
Calling people with genuine and proven concerns far right is not helping.
We are one more horrific murder by an immigrant away from boiling point. And you just know they'll oblige. For some reason, certain amongst them can't help themselves.
Why we're supposed to just lay down and take it is anyone's guess.

 

[Glazier#1]

This has quickly changed from being an immigration issue and has has become a witch hunt based on race, the far right only needed a flimsy excuse,a replay of Germany in the 1930s and it is the start of the second English civil war, no longer can we expect respect for democracy the silent majority will have to fight for Law and Order,Democracy and a civilized England.

Yup.

And if civil war did happen, the right would be backed by big money and probably prevail.

The Apartheid - promoter Musk would def back the right. Of course he would.

 

[beak]

No doubt Stirling will come on and say:

"Germany, Germany, Germany! Why does everyone go on about Germany?!"

Germany is a very similar country to Britain, show me someone who DOESN'T heed history and I will show you a fool. Sadly we are going down the wormhole.

 

[ASCPFC]

Germany is a very similar country to Britain, show me someone who DOESN'T heed history and I will show you a fool. Sadly we are going down the wormhole.

This has precisely no connection to German history whatsoever. Unless Jews were killing Germans in any number, or engaged in various illegal activities. It's questionable as to were they even immigrants.
Are there concentration camps, are there uniforms? List the similarities if you like. It's utter bullshit.

 

[ASCPFC]

Yup.

And if civil war did happen, the right would be backed by big money and probably prevail.

The Apartheid - promoter Musk would def back the right. Of course he would.

Who benefits from mass immigration? I'll give you a clue: it's not the people and it certainly is not the poorer people.
This is rather ironic. The proponents of more and more immigration are unknowingly and presumably unwittingly, working for the interests of big business.

 

[beak]

This has precisely no connection to German history whatsoever. Unless Jews were killing Germans in any number, or engaged in various illegal activities. It's questionable as to were they even immigrants.
Are there concentration camps, are there uniforms? List the similarities if you like. It's utter bullshit.

The connection is the rise of the far right, xenophobia and the use of violence to subvert the parliamentary and democratic process yes the uniform is a mask and I can see concentration camps for rioters , very easy for you to say bullshit from a very safe distance I live near Epsom I do business there I have friends there and there has been no apology from the far right for getting so badly wrong. As usual distance lends enchantment to your view.