NHS vs immigration
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steeleye20
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Waiting lists are receding under the present government as is immigration.
The highest nhs satisfaction rating was in 2010 of 70% but fell away sharply in the tory years to around 20%, they really were that bad.
Failed neo-liberalist policies such as privatisation are enduring under labour, if it doesn't work nobody is going, at present, to fix it.
But labour are doing better than the tories.
Remember that saying, 'you can't trust the tories on the nhs?'
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The highest nhs satisfaction rating was in 2010 of 70% but fell away sharply in the tory years to around 20%, they really were that bad.
Failed neo-liberalist policies such as privatisation are enduring under labour, if it doesn't work nobody is going, at present, to fix it.
But labour are doing better than the tories.
Remember that saying, 'you can't trust the tories on the nhs?'
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Teddy Eagle
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But if we cut the aid these countries couldn't train all the doctors and nurses we nick off them.
They certainly are and there have been various media reports about how the NHS is reducing them through dubious means rather than improved productivity.
Personally I have been kicked off a waiting now at least 3 times (nothing I did) each time they had not solved my issue.
Example I have a torn rotator cuff I was told a cortisone injection might help but would not cure it. Three months after the injection having been told to come back I was told I was kicked off the waiting list the day I had it even though I had been told it would not solve my problem and to come back when it wore off.
If the NHS looked at my treatment they would say they met their targets. I would say that after 1 year I still have not been referred to a consultant for advice on surgery which I have been asking for since my first scan revealed the issue.
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cryrst
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Read about my mum earlier. Got seen by the minions within an hour so target met. The fact she sat there for 7 hours with a fractured arm didn’t get recorded strangely !
Teddy Eagle
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Our doctors have "cut" waiting times by not actually seeing many patients. If you can get through on the phone which is difficult you'll probably get a triage call back where you describe your symptoms and the doctor will issue a prescription. At least prescriptions are free in Scotland.
Midlands Eagle
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I spent the day yesterday in our local A&E. I arrived at 9:30 and reception booked me in within 10 minutes before I was sent upstairs to "minor injuries" I was there for about an hour until I was seen by a GP who then sent me down to a different unit to be seen by a junior doctor. I was there for an hour or two until I was called in for a blood test which I queried as my problem was not blood related and was told that it's routine. I then had to wait for two hours to be seen by a doctor as that's how long the result of the bloods would take and after a 5 minute consultation with a doctor I then had to wait yet again until he could consult with his consultant who told me that I shouldn't have gone to A&E as it wasn't an accident or emergency despite having been sent there by my GP. I finally left at 4:15pm having waste the best part of a day there
Dreadful
cryrst
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I rest my case mlord. This is typical and the quack saying you shouldn’t have gone is so out of touch with what’s happening it’s a joke. Although and yes without an apology the immigrants get their own doctor as soon as they plot up. These doctors would see us otherwise I’m sure.
The OPs thread is showing that reform have a great point about the nhs and immigration.
eaglesdare
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And translators to go along with it.
cryrst
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The fact it’s not working as it should. Midland waited 8 hours to get told he should be at the doctors who told him to go the A and E. It really doesn’t matter as you are so anti reform you can’t see anything else. We will call it RDS
A bit like TDS
No, I'm anti any party that would contemplate privatising of the NHS and with the republicans pushing hard for Reform, I would predict that, should they gain power and keep it, privatisation will be on the agenda.
I could reply to you that you are so in favour of reform that you'll be prepared to agree with anything so long as it means repatriation of foreign nationals and perhaps even second generation citizens.
Whilst I agree that the NHS is in a terrible state, I believe in finding a way to fix it rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
You find it easy to throw these silly terms like RDS, TDS around but really your debating skills are predicated on anecdotal evidence, statistics you've made up and then you have a go at me for not referencing these 'fact's and statistics' that you've actually made up just to suit your argument. Unbelievable. No, in your case all too believable.
Flabby, loose, factually inept, call it what you will, mate.
And I'm the one who is biased?
Welcome to the world of Cryst: a law unto himself.
cryrst
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I never had a go at you. I never advocated for full privatisation of the nhs. I gave a personal example and another poster gave theirs. Privatisation of parts of it are necessary. This is irrelevant as to which party in power.
Midlands Eagle
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I'm not sure that it's fixable. I've posted before about a TV program that I watched a few years ago featuring half a dozen ex Health Secretaries both Labour and Conservative who all agreed that the main problem with updating the NHS was the doctors who refused anything and everything that was proposed
You never had a go at me?
'Those on here who are Reform supporters (which is the majority, I would guess), would you happily trade the NHS for stopping immigration?' was the question.
'Definitely a good swap' was your answer.
It's only after others had replied that they thought privatising some parts might be a good idea that you changed horses in mid-stream.
If the other highlighted bit is not having a go, I don't know what is.
Oh, by the way, you added the bit about the elderly being regular users of the NHS late on, not in this, your first post.
BTW if you actually looked at stats around 60% of nhs users are the same people, Just rocking up taking up precious time with naff all wrong.
A load of tom tit, of course. You actually made this 'statistic' up and then make out, off its back, that I don't bother looking up statistics. Absolutely laughable.
'Think of a sensible question and the answers may be reflective of said question.' you wrote. Well, before and after that ridiculous salvo of yours, we can see that people have responded with some interesting and relevant points.
Not bad far a 'stoopid question' eh?
You're in bad faith, mate. 👎
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I think a better question to pose is not immigration v NHS but migration,we should really get rid of the ne'er do wells who riot and cause damage to towns like Epsom calling themselves laughingly "patriots" led by convicted kidnapper and drug dealer Thommo , any immigrant would be better for the uk. How about the Outer Hebrides being barb wired into a concentration camp as we no longer have the jail space, the law abiding majority can then go safely about their business.
Yup, hijacking protests at a local level and turning them into violence fests which the locals don't want.
Careful now, Beak; as we know, anyone convicted for violence at these events is a 'political prisoner' to many on here.
Teddy Eagle
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Maybe create some prison space by releasing the 1100 Albanians currently hogging cells.