But who will pay for more staff? How?
Taxation?
It seems like no one wants to pay taxes.
Anyway, beside the point, in a way.
Despite being insulted for even asking the original question, it has been/is enlightening to read views on here.
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Taxation?
It seems like no one wants to pay taxes.
Anyway, beside the point, in a way.
Despite being insulted for even asking the original question, it has been/is enlightening to read views on here.
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Poor management has led to inefficiency and waste. Before asking the public to stump up more the NHS needs to fix itself. You don't poor water into a bucket with a hole, you fix the hole first.
Is that possible, please?
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You accepted it earlier. If you want to search feel free. If you visited a hospital for 17 nights in a row like I did a few years back you will see the stats proven.
I need not entertain you on this any more. Good evening Glazier#1
Thanks for the reply.
When you wrote your post, I searched for statistics but couldn't for the life of me find any regarding the constant use of hospitals by people who've nothing wrong with them:
"BTW if you actually looked at stats around 60% of nhs users are the same people. Just rocking up taking up precious time with naff all wrong."
That's an incredible statistic and I'd be very interested to be directed to it. The % you quote is quite precise so I'm assuming you got it from somewhere. Is it possible that you could post a link?
Sorry.
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From Reform UK website,
"Under a Reform UK Government, the NHS will remain free at the point of use, funded by general taxation. We will improve the NHS by working to redirect funding from back office bloat back into frontline services. Successive Conservative and Labour Governments have failed our NHS, leaving patient satisfaction and clinical outcomes at record lows."
What privatisation of the NHS does the OP object to specifically?
I probably won't vote Reform as there are too many ex tories in the party. And Farage to boot.
"Under a Reform UK Government, the NHS will remain free at the point of use, funded by general taxation. We will improve the NHS by working to redirect funding from back office bloat back into frontline services. Successive Conservative and Labour Governments have failed our NHS, leaving patient satisfaction and clinical outcomes at record lows."
What privatisation of the NHS does the OP object to specifically?
I probably won't vote Reform as there are too many ex tories in the party. And Farage to boot.
To be honest, I don’t/haven’t wanted to see any privatisation. I think the service should be run as an entity. The ‘buying – in’ of outside services I think is more expensive than developing and maintaining an in-house capacity.
“Healthcare should be available to everyone, free at the point of delivery, and based entirely on clinical need rather than the ability to pay.”
That was/is the founding tenet of the NHS and hearing and reading of the way people suffered before its institution, I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment.
Yes, the service itself is need of a thorough investigation in order to meet demand and deliver an efficient outcome yet there are those who stand to profit from private health insurance and will act accordingly, not necessarily in the spirit of our NHS but certainly in the spirit of maximising revenue streams.
Language is the thing, isn’t it? I notice that the Reform statement on the NHS reads:
“Under a Reform UK Government, the NHS will remain free at the point of use, funded by general taxation.”
This qualification intrigues me; I thought the whole point of NI was to fund the service. I’m sure it is topped – up by general taxation but the idea of NI remains, doesn’t it? For Reform to pick those words makes me wonder if there’s something they’re not telling us.
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You know what. Any number I gave was specific. That’s the beauty of maths. It’s a number!
maybe it’s 59% maybe it was 60.097% maybe it’s 40%, the point is a high volume of users of the nhs are the same people. Time wasters who need to take responsibility. Whether or not there are official stats out there to source I don’t know. And the same scenario with the same villains and clowns n contact with plod. When did they last knock your door. How many times have you used the nhs or police in the last year. Doctors maybe once or twice, police maybe not I would guess. That’s the point I made. If you are old or have a chronic illness granted they will use the nhs more but many just rock up because they don’t know how to look after themselves and the same crooks continue to commit crime.
*"BTW if you actually looked at stats around 60% of nhs users are the same people. Just rocking up taking up precious time with naff all wrong"*
Sorry for my confusion.
**I wonder how the elderly and chronically sick will fare with private medical insurance.**
Anyway, thanks for the response.
Appreciated. 🙂
Once again this goes back to reforming the NHS. Many people do turn up at A&E needlessly because they can't get a doctors appointment.
My surgery (Elm House) is more a medical clinic and does lots of other stuff. It could do more. However the chief complaint we all have is getting an appointment. When you do turn up the waiting room is empty when you expect it to be full.
Sorts out the GP surgery issue and it will take the pressure of the NHS hospitals.
Thanks for the input, Badger.
Whilst I agree that there needs to be a good look at the way it operates (excuse the pun), the question of privatisation is my reason for starting the thread.
Whilst Reform seem to talk a good game when it comes to their intentions for the NHS, we shouldn't forget that Farage and Trump go hand in glove. We all know what the Trumpet feels about public medical provision - absolutely, fundamentally opposed as shown with his very public excoriating criticism of Obama care.
It's obvious to us all that, although Trump stands cheek by jowl with Farage in his attempts to gain power, it comes at a price; no such thing as a free meal ticket in politics, is there.
No doubt the president and his attendant money men are chomping at the bit to get their hands on health care in the UK. Ideologically, too, Farage , I would suggest, is very much into 'every man for himself' rather than state control of anything.
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It’s about making certain parts of it accountable. The only way is to have a jeopardy for not perfornimg
My mother 83 fell a couple of weeks ago
At midnight I was at hospital with her in ashford.
Within an hour she was seen by the reception. A booking in nurse and then another booking in nurse. Then saw a triage at 5am and an xray at 8am. It’s fractured BTW.
The fact she was booked in within an hour works the target numbers. It doesn’t though add it took 7 hours in
A and E to get to see a doctor at best that was. Then discharged at 2pm.
Some of the ones waiting clearly didn’t need to be there but it’s a habit they have of being total c**** !
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I have no doubt you will be back with another quiz !
Well, you know, sometimes asking the question and seeing answers is enlightening indeed.
For instance, if I hadn't delved deeper into your claims, I would never have found out that the 'stats' you told me off for not bothering to look at were , in fact, not facts at all; no statistics at all , just something you'd made up.
"maybe it’s 59% maybe it was 60.097% maybe it’s 40%,"
And these are, in fact, not any statistics at all are they. Just you picking a number and sounding off.
Sorry mate but it's true.
As I say: enlightening.
Thanks for your response. 🙂
How much did it cost your mum or you for this service?
How much would it have cost privately?
When, as you have said you want, the NHS is private, the old will be absolutely financially destroyed.
I hope she has recovered and is well, by the way.
Perhaps we need to remind ourselves that of those 'successive governments', over the last 16 years, Conservatives were in power for 14 years and the present Labour government for 2.
Just to put that claim under some sort of analysis.
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In 2 weeks from a fracture. She’s not dead pool 🤣.
Although factually then if we’re going down that road the nhs will never fully privatise. Areas of it do need it for accountability but clearly what happened to my mum didn’t resonate about making the figures about waiting times or being seen within a certain time. Also the same twats do constantly turn up taking valuable time and appointments from genuine cases. I also noted about old, genuinely sick and chronic patients needing more visits.
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Try changing the nhs and watch them march around russel square protesting. There are posters on here who work or who have worked for the nhs and the waste is phenomenal. Covid highlighted it but even before and since it’s constant.