Immigration

[beak]

Yup. I have just seen Chris's post.

I don't think we need to ban Sikh's carrying ceremonial knives but like I said if one was to use it then they get an additional sanction.

All public knife carrying in must be controlled far too many people are dying by stabbing. As I say if carried a knife is locked away and the key held by a remote responsible person not hard is it?
Years ago coming back from ice skating an officious policeman told me sharp instrument sonny those skates must have a plastic guard on 'em.

 

[georgenorman]

Yup. I have just seen Chris's post.

I don't think we need to ban Sikh's carrying ceremonial knives but like I said if one was to use it then they get an additional sanction.

Can we carry ceremonial guns?

 

[cryrst]

Yup. I have just seen Chris's post.

I don't think we need to ban Sikh's carrying ceremonial knives but like I said if one was to use it then they get an additional sanction.

Any knife is a deadly weapon. I don’t care how ceremonial it is. Change it for a plastic one if it’s for appearance. people in certain positions fight or flight and if you have a knife it’s only going one way if you fight. Not in this case the geezers a nutter but generally.

 

[Racehorse-80s]

Can we carry ceremonial guns?

Or even ceremonial tasers .

 

[georgenorman]

Or even ceremonial tasers .

Perhaps ceremonial stab vests?

 

[PalazioVecchio]

There is a video on X of the murderer waving a sword about in public, so much for good character.

there is a link on the HOL thread about Nowak. You can also see that the stabby bloke seems to be only five foot tall. I have always said 'beware of little fellas'...often more dangerous than calmer tall blokes.

It is very clear that this bloke might have been a ticking time-bomb ?

 

[eaglesdare]

Not that it makes much difference to the outcome. I seen conflicting reports that the ceremonial knife was not used for the stabbing? Rather it was a different knife?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Not that it makes much difference to the outcome. I seen conflicting reports that the ceremonial knife was not used for the stabbing? Rather it was a different knife?

There's a picture of it in this article. It wasn't a ceremonial knife.

Weapons-obsessed killer Vickrum Digwa jailed for Henry Nowak's murder

University student Henry Nowak was killed as he walked back from a night out in Southampton.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Racehorse-80s]

Perhaps ceremonial stab vests?

Seriously think there’s a potential market out there for designer stab vests in the UK , Maybe I should write to The Apprentice with my business plan .

 

[Stirlingsays]

You are hearing the government and the left condemn the rioting that has understandably happened after another example of two tier policing taken to the extreme. Of course I condemn violence against innocents and business damage.

Yet when Mark Duggan was shot by the Met Police in Tottenham it sparked off 5 days of the worst rioting this country has seen, yet many on the the left didn’t condemn it it was considered ‘understandable’ by many of them. But when it comes to Henry Nowak, they say ‘Nigel Farage is the one stirring up division.

These tossers created the breakdown in social cohesion in the first place....The Tories, copying Blair, being the worst but all cheered on by the left.

They want to force their internationalism into everyone else's world and when the inevitable happens they point fingers at us. Their little soy boy in chief Owen Jones is talking about Nazis.....None of this ever needed to happen.

Nowak's family should sue the Macpherson estate and the DEI industry, because that's behind how Police treated their son.
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[eaglesdare]

You are hearing the government and the left condemn the rioting that has understandably happened after another example of two tier policing taken to the extreme. Of course I condemn violence against innocents and business damage.

Yet when Mark Duggan was shot by the Met Police in Tottenham it sparked off 5 days of the worst rioting this country has seen, yet many on the the left didn’t condemn it it was considered ‘understandable’ by many of them. But when it comes to Henry Nowak, they say ‘Nigel Farage is the one stirring up division.

These tossers created the breakdown in social cohesion in the first place....The Tories, copying Blair, being the worst but all cheered on by the left.

They want to force their internationalism into everyone else's world and when the inevitable happens they point fingers at us. Their little soy boy in chief Owen Jones is talking about Nazis.....None of this ever needed to happen.

Nowak's family should sue the Macpherson estate and the DEI industry, because that's behind how Police treated their son.
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It seemed to be peaceful until Tommy Robinson turned up and a few thugs decided to join in.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It seemed to be peaceful until Tommy Robinson turned up and a few thugs decided to join in.

I don't agree.

Blaming Robinson isn't the cause.....if you didn't have Robinson, then someone else would do it.

People shout for action.....politicians took the knee for a foreign criminal.....Not taking the knee for their own youth.....minorities rioted in London for a foreign criminal.

Those young white men rioting know that it could have been them and not Nowak. Trust in the Police has fallen.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Those young white men rioting know that it could have been them and not Nowak. Trust in the Police has fallen.

The Mark Duggan brigade lost trust in the Cops* cos the cops were seen to be overzealous.



* assuming they ever had any trust in the beginning, which i doubt.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I don't think that is true, and I don't know why we would pretend that the conduct of the police in this case isn't a major cause for concern - I think it's a perfectly reasonable assumption that sensitivity around being perceived as racist impacted the police response to the situation, and that resulted in a young man losing his life, when it may well have been preventable.

I don't know why so many on the left struggle to condemn things like this - it's an appalling waste of a young life, for which the body employed to protect us are at least partially responsible, seemingly as a result of whatever biases they have internalised.

That needs addressing.

The bias is entirely on the right as we are now witnessing with the disgusting statements from the likes of Jenrick and Farage, winding up the gullible so they riot.

I listened to the lady from the Commission that wrote the protocol that advises police officers on how to handle different ethnicities. The one now being quoted as evidence of 2 tier policing.

She didn’t mince her words. She said they are being deliberately disingenuous for political purposes.

That protocol has nothing whatsoever to do with how people who are suspected of any criminality are treated.

It only concerns ensuring that the police are aware of how different backgrounds and cultures can impact what people can understand and what support they might need. It applies to everyone. Whether they are victims, witnesses or accused.

I suppose you think I am politically of the “left”. I am not. Like most in our country I am in the pragmatic centre. I object to leftish politics just as much as to the right. I seek fairness and objectivity.

I, and those who think like me, have no problem at all in condemning those responsible for this terrible murder. If the police officers involved, who unquestionably made an error of judgement, are found to have done so because of carelessness then disciplinary action will doubtless result. They will have let their service down and brought it into disrepute.

What isn’t true is what the right are trying to promulgate. There isn’t a systemic failure that has led to this. There was a brutal murder of an innocent by an individual, who was aided and abetted by the lies of family members.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That playbook has been played to death. Any criticism of Sturgeon is mysoginistic, any criticism of Kahn is islamophonic, any criticism of Mandelson is homophobic, any criticism of Lammy is racist. All of which dismissals invalidate any legitimate concerns in some minds.

Unfair criticism will always be unfair.

That though doesn’t mean all criticism is unfair.

The criticism being directed at Reform, Farage, Jenrick etc is completely valid. They are exploiting a terrible situation entirely for political purposes. What they are claiming is completely untrue.

They ought to be locked up for using hate speech!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It seemed to be peaceful until Tommy Robinson turned up and a few thugs decided to join in.

Totally predictable. Terribly disrespectful to a grieving family. Completely inappropriate.

If anyone tries to defend him doing this they want their brains replaced.

 

[ASCPFC]

The bias is entirely on the right as we are now witnessing with the disgusting statements from the likes of Jenrick and Farage, winding up the gullible so they riot.

I listened to the lady from the Commission that wrote the protocol that advises police officers on how to handle different ethnicities. The one now being quoted as evidence of 2 tier policing.

She didn’t mince her words. She said they are being deliberately disingenuous for political purposes.

That protocol has nothing whatsoever to do with how people who are suspected of any criminality are treated.

It only concerns ensuring that the police are aware of how different backgrounds and cultures can impact what people can understand and what support they might need. It applies to everyone. Whether they are victims, witnesses or accused.

I suppose you think I am politically of the “left”. I am not. Like most in our country I am in the pragmatic centre. I object to leftish politics just as much as to the right. I seek fairness and objectivity.

I, and those who think like me, have no problem at all in condemning those responsible for this terrible murder. If the police officers involved, who unquestionably made an error of judgement, are found to have done so because of carelessness then disciplinary action will doubtless result. They will have let their service down and brought it into disrepute.

What isn’t true is what the right are trying to promulgate. There isn’t a systemic failure that has led to this. There was a brutal murder of an innocent by an individual, who was aided and abetted by the lies of family members.

And whose death was accelerated by the ideology and actions of the police.

One rule for BLM protests, one rule for another. Everyone gets it now - many more than did already.

I'd hazard a guess no one cares at all what the DEI woman pretends to have said. Everyone's seen all of that before too. Lies, lies and cover ups. The video is out - it's in colour and in the mainstream press. Exacerbated by Digwa's clear disregard for belonging to a decent country. Like a lot of people when you open your eyes and look.

Loads of people are just running around with knives. I'd hazard a guess the majority of them will not be watching the England games in the World Cup.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The mother is an Indian national. Hence the relevance of the immigration topic. The murderer is a second generation immigrant.

As far as I know she took the weapon and hid it? And tried to cover for her son?

No he isn’t. In the eyes of the law he is a British born citizen.

I am 1/4 French. Am I a third generation immigrant?

If not, why not?

 

[Stirlingsays]

My position on people like Robinson, Farage, Lowe and in fact anyone on the political stage is that it's about compromises.

There will always be people who 'purity spiral', it's both on the left and right. There is always problem A and problem B with whoever is mentioned.....that's just real life. You will always disagree amongst yourselves, to some extent even with those most aligned with you.

For me I have issues with both Robinson and Farage......I prefer Lowe as closest to my beliefs.

However, when it comes to the crunch and I only have the PM being decided between Farage and......say Burham. I'm going to vote Farage every time.

Maybe Lowe will overtake Farage by 29, if we wait that long......but I'll only split the vote on the right until it actually matters.

 

[ASCPFC]

No he isn’t. In the eyes of the law he is a British born citizen.

I am 1/4 French. Am I a third generation immigrant?

If not, why not?

We're all going to be something. However, what is British about Digwa exactly - other than a piece of paper? Complete lack of integration, clearly.

There are so many people in our countries more bothered about their religion and their culture, rather than integration and this is another failure. But try to take away their citizenship and they cry wolf. If they can say wolf in English. Which is not likely for a lot of people.