Immigration

[Spindle]

What I would like to know is why this awful event is being debated in this thread?

Neither of the two parties involved were immigrants. Both were British citizens from birth.

So why here?

Because one has a brown skin and is a Sikh?

It’s extremely revealing, whilst completely unsurprising.

You just cannot see your prejudice!

He's shouting "racists" now

 

[Stirlingsays]

Been doing it for years

The politicians did this....including the Tories.

They took our institutions and turned them into a political ideology that resulted in this happening.

Henry Nowak wasn't believed because his murderers knew that if they claimed racism that it would be given priority and they might get off.

He was handcuffed in pain and read his rights despite telling the truth and died because of the politicians and the left and liberals that betrayed him.

 

[Stirlingsays]

He's shouting "racists" now

The anti white talking about prejudice.

Just a low life troll and always has been on here.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What difference would it make if they told us?

To the outcome of the murder, none. To the suggestions that the police and judge ought to have been aware of a bad history, quite a lot.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

To the outcome of the murder, none. To the suggestions that the police and judge ought to have been aware of a bad history, quite a lot.

To the extent that had the police been aware of his background they wouldn't have handcuffed the victim.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

He asked for it to be publicly released.
Floyd’s was and you agreed with that I remember !

It has now been released. Obviously it couldn’t have been until the trial was over and because the images are so distressing the police sought the permission of the family to do so, which has been given.

It was nothing to do with Farage. He was just trying to exploit misery for political purposes.

 

[Stirlingsays]

The prosecution did emphasize at trial that Digwa was not at a temple.

Perhaps with the news that his Sikh temple had banned him due to his behaviour....as Ted stated, a quite rare event....the fact that this wasn't presented at trial has something to do with the information presented by Police.

Don't know, but given how the Police spun information to the public to lessen perception damage, I view them as self interested, not trustworthy and deserving of suspicion.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

“They were under pressure and it was a fraught situation”…… Wissie 2026

You seem to think police officers are AI robots capable of faultless decision making in an instant. They aren’t. They are us in a uniform. Some excellent, others less so. Some remain calm in all circumstances, some don’t.

If you cannot see that attending a situation like that doesn’t exert pressure then Specsavers can’t help you. You need to seek some very different help.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

You seem to think police officers are AI robots capable of faultless decision making in an instant. They aren’t. They are us in a uniform. Some excellent, others less so. Some remain calm in all circumstances, some don’t.

If you cannot see that attending a situation like that doesn’t exert pressure then Specsavers can’t help you. You need to seek some very different help.

The College of Policing, too, dictates that ‘police officers and staff should respond positively to allegations, signs and perceptions of hostility and hate’. Crucially for the Digwa case, the College tells police that ‘officers and staff should not challenge this initial perception’.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Unfortunately this does not seem to be available now, but from the comments I can only assume that the snippets I had previously mentioned were correct and not some “witch hunt” on my behalf against the Police. Shame WE seems to always jump to conclusions that the right leaning posters make things up to suit their agenda, presumably no apology will be forthcoming as, he will not feel he has accused anyone of anything.

I have just watched it on Instagram, when the police first arrived, a member of the public told them Nowak had a mouthful of blood. He was arrested and handcuffed on the say so of the perpetrators brother but the perpetrator was not handcuffed when Nowak said he had been stabbed 🤔

I don’t accuse anyone of “making things up”. My complaints are about the assumed motivations behind the actions of the police. I have watched the video. I saw what happened. No one can see inside the heads of those who decided to act in that way. That it turned out to be a terrible mistake isn’t, and has never been, challenged.

The highlighted section is new. When the IPC investigate that will be a key element in deciding culpability. Did that officer tell his colleagues or just ignore it?

Nowak appeared to be calm and cooperative and being supported by his family members. Why would an officer decide restraint was necessary for him when at that time it was believed he was the victim? It’s easy to think differently now, but put yourself in those officer’s shoes and see how you might have reacted at that moment.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I told you he was dragged across gravel but you didnt believe me, that’s one point for starters

Untrue. I didn’t comment because I didn’t know.

Now we do. We have seen the bodycam footage. Why was that? He appeared to be in an awkward spot. They were assuming he was the perpetrator, not the victim. He was lying some distance from where he was stabbed so no trail of blood was seen. It was a terrible mistake and bad judgement but not malicious.

 

[georgenorman]

I don’t accuse anyone of “making things up”. My complaints are about the assumed motivations behind the actions of the police. I have watched the video. I saw what happened. No one can see inside the heads of those who decided to act in that way. That it turned out to be a terrible mistake isn’t, and has never been, challenged.

The highlighted section is new. When the IPC investigate that will be a key element in deciding culpability. Did that officer tell his colleagues or just ignore it?

Nowak appeared to be calm and cooperative and being supported by his family members. Why would an officer decide restraint was necessary for him when at that time it was believed he was the victim? It’s easy to think differently now, but put yourself in those officer’s shoes and see how you might have reacted at that moment.

I don't why you bother, no sane person would give any credence whatsover to you squid-ink posts.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I will pretend I haven’t read this.
I will quote you from 9.39pm last night, “ you are just being ridiculous “

I was not suggesting it is likely!! It is ridiculous!

All I was pointing out was we don’t know and unless/until we do there’s no point in making assumptions.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

He's shouting "racists" now

If the cap fits…….

They come in a variety of sizes and would suit several who post here!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The anti white talking about prejudice.

Just a low life troll and always has been on here.

I asked Google whether describing someone as “anti white” is racist. This is the reply:-

“Yes, describing someone as "anti-white" is generally considered racist.

While some academics and activists argue that racism requires historic institutional power, judging or categorizing any person based solely on their race—including white people—fits the fundamental definition of racial prejudice, discrimination, or hostility. Therefore, many legal frameworks, human rights organizations, and the general public classify it as racism.”

Reach your own conclusions. I have reached mine.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

To the extent that had the police been aware of his background they wouldn't have handcuffed the victim.

As we don’t know that background, that’s also an unknown.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The College of Policing, too, dictates that ‘police officers and staff should respond positively to allegations, signs and perceptions of hostility and hate’. Crucially for the Digwa case, the College tells police that ‘officers and staff should not challenge this initial perception’.

Which is why there will now be an IPC investigation.

Which I welcome as objective and fair. So very different to the attitudes here.

 

[eaglesdare]

He's shouting "racists" now

The racism on show is that white people are now the villains and everyone else is the victims. It's all the DEI training the police get these days.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

No one has yet addressed why this is thought suitable for the Immigration thread.

Digwa is British born. He just happens to be a Sikh.

Most of the debate over this terrible murder, other than here, is about the permission given to Sikhs to carry a knife for religious reasons.

As someone who strongly opposes any kind of exceptionalism for religious reasons I think this is ridiculous and needs to be banned asap.

I have always thought allowing Sikhs to ride a motorcycle without a crash helmet to be wrong. They might only be risking themselves but with a free at the point of use health service it also impacts us. They ought only to have the choice of not riding a motorcycle if their beliefs are so strong.

Religion is a private matter. It ought not impact others in any way. Carrying a large knife is illegal. The law applies to all. No exceptions.

 

[eaglesdare]

No one has yet addressed why this is thought suitable for the Immigration thread.

Digwa is British born. He just happens to be a Sikh.

Most of the debate over this terrible murder, other than here, is about the permission given to Sikhs to carry a knife for religious reasons.

As someone who strongly opposes any kind of exceptionalism for religious reasons I think this is ridiculous and needs to be banned asap.

I have always thought allowing Sikhs to ride a motorcycle without a crash helmet to be wrong. They might only be risking themselves but with a free at the point of use health service it also impacts us. They ought only to have the choice of not riding a motorcycle if their beliefs are so strong.

Religion is a private matter. It ought not impact others in any way. Carrying a large knife is illegal. The law applies to all. No exceptions.

Is his mother also British born?