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Wisbech Eagle said:
Every murder is a tragedy. It’s not though necessary to try to link each to a particular narrative of racism or police ineptitude.

The circumstances surrounding this one are described by the police themselves in the report below. Officers are trained to react correctly but not every possibility can be predicted. They are as human and capable of error as anyone else. They made an initial wrong assumption, swiftly corrected. The reporting of which has been comprehensive.

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They handcuffed him and dragged him over gravel whilst he was bleeding to death. He wasn’t going to run anywhere was he? Why handcuff anyone who has quite obviously been seriously injured…. a mistake…jeez. I note 3 of the 4 officers have now left the force
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Acting on the information immediately available and taking quick decisions is what officers must do. Only once control has been established can a better assessment be made. That’s not taking the victims side. It’s enabling a situation to be managed. Who is the victim comes later.

They were told lies. They and we know that now. They didn’t then.
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So you reckon they should've cuffed him even though its been reported he had facial wounds as well as multiple stab wounds. Correct me if I am wrong but is it not fecking obvious if someone has been stabbed in the face?! There would've been a lot of blood if someone has been stabbed 5 fecking times, it would've been apparent very quickly that something is very wrong with a guy who is audibly drowning in his own blood. Please stop playing everyone for absolute fools.
 
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Wisbech Eagle said:
You obviously either have not read the police report or don’t comprehend it’s implications.

The victim was bleeding internally and the wound was difficult to find. There was no “bleeding in evidence”. As soon as it being clear he needed attention the handcuffs were removed and first aid given.
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Would t be the first time a police report has been economical with the truth….fact. My wife spent 3 years working for the Police Complaints Authority, covering for each other was/is common place within the Force
 
Spiderman said:
They handcuffed him and dragged him over gravel whilst he was bleeding to death. He wasn’t going to run anywhere was he? Why handcuff anyone who has quite obviously been seriously injured…. a mistake…jeez. I note 3 of the 4 officers have now left the force
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Where did that “information” come from? It’s not what is said by the Police themselves who state he had internal injuries that weren’t obvious.
 
Jordan555x said:
So you reckon they should've cuffed him even though its been reported he had facial wounds as well as multiple stab wounds. Correct me if I am wrong but is it not fecking obvious if someone has been stabbed in the face?! There would've been a lot of blood if someone has been stabbed 5 fecking times, it would've been apparent very quickly that something is very wrong with a guy who is audibly drowning in his own blood. Please stop playing everyone for absolute fools.
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There’s a lot of “ifs” there. Perhaps you should reflect on them.

Who has “reported” he had facial wounds? There weren’t reporters there. The Police were though.
 
Spiderman said:
Would t be the first time a police report has been economical with the truth….fact. My wife spent 3 years working for the Police Complaints Authority, covering for each other was/is common place within the Force
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As individuals I don’t doubt they do but when an official statement is released I expect it to be completely factual and checked by the Chief Constable and lawyers.

I imagine there was a lot of confusion and the officers were horrified when they realised their mistake.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There’s a lot of “ifs” there. Perhaps you should reflect on them.

Who has “reported” he had facial wounds? There weren’t reporters there. The Police were though.
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From Grok:

The detail that Henry Nowak was stabbed once in the face comes primarily from the prosecution's presentation of evidence during Vickrum Digwa’s murder trial at Southampton Crown Court.

This information was disclosed in open court as part of the medical/forensic evidence (post-mortem examination) presented by prosecutors. It is not based on police scene observations or unverified claims but on the official pathology findings from the investigation and trial.
 
cryrst said:
But why handcuff him because a black guy said he racially abused him. My point being that authority is now conditioned to believe non whites over whites. A sorry f***ing state of affairs.
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Those officers will be trained to be blind to the colour of anyone’s skin and to treat every claim seriously until evidence shows it isn’t.

No officer will deliberately decide to believe a “non white” rather than a “white”. What they won’t do is not believe them because they aren’t “white”. Which is sensible and necessary even if it upsets some of you.
 
Spiderman said:
Arrested and handcuffed as he lost consciousness. CC’s words not mine, so would have known he was badly injured…mistake my arse
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Were you there? Did you see this through the officer’s eyes, under the pressure they must have been feeling?

Of course with hindsight it looks awful, but they didn’t have that benefit. You can sit at a keyboard and pontificate. They had to act.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Those officers will be trained to be blind to the colour of anyone’s skin and to treat every claim seriously until evidence shows it isn’t.

No officer will deliberately decide to believe a “non white” rather than a “white”. What they won’t do is not believe them because they aren’t “white”. Which is sensible and necessary even if it upsets some of you.
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Again why handcuff him for an alleged racist slur. Drink drivers after killing someone get less at the roadside.
Cops conditioned to believe black over white.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Were you there? Did you see this through the officer’s eyes, under the pressure they must have been feeling?

Of course with hindsight it looks awful, but they didn’t have that benefit. You can sit at a keyboard and pontificate. They had to act.
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Perhaps then you should be more sympathetic to Derek Chauvin who was convicted of "murdering" the druggie convict.
 
Stirlingsays said:
From Grok:

The detail that Henry Nowak was stabbed once in the face comes primarily from the prosecution's presentation of evidence during Vickrum Digwa’s murder trial at Southampton Crown Court.

This information was disclosed in open court as part of the medical/forensic evidence (post-mortem examination) presented by prosecutors. It is not based on police scene observations or unverified claims but on the official pathology findings from the investigation and trial.
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The officers at the scene didn’t have the benefit of a detailed pathology report. They had to act on what they thought they were seeing. Missing what is later found to be completely obvious is a common phenomenon in many situations in which you are being distracted by a variety of events occurring together.
 
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