Antifa

[eaglesdare]

Lie.

The link you provided earlier on Antifa literally recognises that it exists as a movement. Who ever said it required central controlling infrastructure to exist?

Are you going to tell us that al-Qaeda didn't or doesn't exist next? This model isn't new....some of the waffle you come out with insults people's intelligence.

When people all decide to turn up in a black mass, to say that this has no organising behind it and hence can't be given a name is dishonest.

People can literally see it when it happens. It's been officially designated as a domestic terrorist organization.

I mean....he doesn't even believe that white people exist...so you are probably wasting your time. 😅

 

[Stirlingsays]

I mean....he doesn't even believe that white people exist...so you are probably wasting your time. 😅

True.

Communicating with dishonest people has no real point.

I occasionally dip in because lying annoys me so much.

 

[georgenorman]

Oh George you're better than that.

I stand by the comment.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Are the Jews included in this?

And if they are busy hunting down the gay bashers, then why are they marching with islam?

Two men admit filming antisemitic abuse on TikTok

Adam Bedoui, 20, and Abdelkader Amir Bousloub, 21, travelled to a predominantly Jewish area to film antisemitic abuse.

www.bbc.co.uk

Two traditional Brits
Adam Bedoui and Abdelkader Amir Bousloub

Included in what? Judaism is a religion. Antifa is an idea shared by disparate groups of people.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The link you provided earlier on Antifa literally recognises that it exists as a movement. Whoever said it required central controlling infrastructure to exist?

Are you going to tell us that al-Qaeda didn't or doesn't exist next? And many other groups that have the de-centralised, hard to track model for defence purposes. This model isn't new....some of the waffle you come out with insults people's intelligence.

When people all decide to turn up in a black mass, to say that this has no organising behind it and hence can't be given a name is dishonest.

People can literally see it when it happens. It's been officially designated as a domestic terrorist organization.

It’s only exists as an idea. One that is shared but not controlled or coordinated. Thus in any meaningful sense it doesn’t exist. Al-Qaeda does have a highly centralised central organisation responsible for policy even if actual operations are conducted by regional associates. Nothing like that for Antifa. It’s just a convenient bogeyman for the right, something they can lump all those who criticise them into.

It has been designated as a terrorist organisation by Trump. Someone so deluded he is again trying to charge James Comey. Do you really want to follow his lead?

Of course people who turn up en masse don’t do so in a vacuum but that only means that someone who might sympathise with the general concept of opposing fascism is encouraging them.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I mean....he doesn't even believe that white people exist...so you are probably wasting your time. 😅

I believe people exist. Some of whom have dark skins, some pale and some every shade in between. Some of them hold a variety of religious beliefs, some none. Some were born in Europe, others in every other corner of our world.

Religion and culture can bind into groups. Skin colour cannot. Therefore there is no such thing as “white people”! It’s inaccurate and divisive terminology which needs to stop being used.

If you want to talk about people from an European Christian cultural heritage then say so.

 

[eaglesdare]

I believe people exist. Some of whom have dark skins, some pale and some every shade in between. Some of them hold a variety of religious beliefs, some none. Some were born in Europe, others in every other corner of our world.

Religion and culture can bind into groups. Skin colour cannot. Therefore there is no such thing as “white people”! It’s inaccurate and divisive terminology which needs to stop being used.

If you want to talk about people from an European Christian cultural heritage then say so.

Sigh... 😔

 

[Spindle]

Included in what? Judaism is a religion. Antifa is an idea shared by disparate groups of people.

Included in the antifa rallies. Are they allowed to wear their skullcaps and join in on the Jew hating rally against the far right

 

[Spindle]

I believe people exist. Some of whom have dark skins, some pale and some every shade in between. Some of them hold a variety of religious beliefs, some none. Some were born in Europe, others in every other corner of our world.

Religion and culture can bind into groups. Skin colour cannot. Therefore there is no such thing as “white people”! It’s inaccurate and divisive terminology which needs to stop being used.

If you want to talk about people from an European Christian cultural heritage then say so.

So there's no such thing as black people then too

 

[Stirlingsays]

It’s only exists as an idea. One that is shared but not controlled or coordinated. Thus in any meaningful sense it doesn’t exist. Al-Qaeda does have a highly centralised central organisation responsible for policy even if actual operations are conducted by regional associates. Nothing like that for Antifa. It’s just a convenient bogeyman for the right, something they can lump all those who criticise them into.

It has been designated as a terrorist organisation by Trump. Someone so deluded he is again trying to charge James Comey. Do you really want to follow his lead?

Of course people who turn up en masse don’t do so in a vacuum but that only means that someone who might sympathise with the general concept of opposing fascism is encouraging them.

It is not an 'idea', that is pure propaganda from Democrats and their supporters.
It is a decentralised group that is designed that way to protect itself. All its practices are to this end, if they could operate out in the open they would.

The following is from Grok.

• Black bloc groups often have informal, temporary leaders or "facilitators" during an action. Experienced participants coordinate movement, signals, roles (e.g., scouts, medics, breakers), and de-escalation or escalation. These are typically chosen on the spot or within small pre-existing affinity groups (tight-knit circles of friends/trust networks who plan together).
  
  en.wikipedia.org
• Some local Antifa collectives (e.g., Rose City Antifa in Portland) have more consistent participants, public spokespeople, doxxing efforts, and internal decision-making processes (often consensus-based). Specific individuals can exert influence locally.
  
  en.wikipedia.org
• During events, you see coordinated behavior: marching together, protecting each other, smashing things in waves. This looks like "a group with leaders" because it is a group acting collectively at that moment.

Once again Antifa is an official domestic terrorist group and quite rightly is now subject to action.

The Democrats will of course stop that if they regain power because these are their foot soldiers, who.....while they can't always control them reliably can certainly expect them to work in their favour.

I believe there was collusion during the first Trump presidency and we all saw the violence stop once the Democrats won in 2020. Now that Trump is back in power, we see Antifa quiet because Trump is going after them....or at least is giving that impression.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Sigh... 😔

Literal social communism.....the Maoist variety.

Such a hyprocrite.

Capitalist for his bank account.

 

[McAhuna]

Literal social communism.....the Maoist variety.

Such a hyprocrite.

Capitalist for his bank account.

Yep, the slum landlord conveniently overlooks that most of those groups believe in the abolishment of private property.
How does he square this conundrum? Under a cloud of waffle.

 

[Spindle]

He'd be first against the wall along with the bankers.

 

[McAhuna]

So there's no such thing as black people then too

If there are no such thing as white people, there are no such thing as black people.
Which would mean BLM are a sham and he couldn't possibly support them.
But unfortunately, simple logic isn't his strong point.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Included in the antifa rallies. Are they allowed to wear their skullcaps and join in on the Jew hating rally against the far right

What on earth are you going on about? You are another conflating opposition to the policies of the current government in Israel with “Jew hating”. It’s no such thing. It’s opposing the far right. Just as left leaning Jews do.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So there's no such thing as black people then too

Of course not! Exactly the same applies. There is nothing whatsoever that binds people with black skins together. They come from just as disparate backgrounds as do those with pale skins. We need to stop thinking in these terms. It just creates divisions. We need to call people what they are and not what they look like.

Where do you think all the mixed race people go? Some have black skins, some white and some shades in between. Do you want to divide up families too?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Of course not! Exactly the same applies. There is nothing whatsoever that binds people with black skins together. They come from just as disparate backgrounds as do those with pale skins. We need to stop thinking in these terms. It just creates divisions. We need to call people what they are and not what they look like.

Where do you think all the mixed race people go? Some have black skins, some white and some shades in between. Do you want to divide up families too?

Charlie Kirk made the same point several times.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

It is not an 'idea', that is pure propaganda from Democrats and their supporters.
It is a decentralised group that is designed that way to protect itself. All its practices are to this end, if they could operate out in the open they would.

The following is from Grok.

• Black bloc groups often have informal, temporary leaders or "facilitators" during an action. Experienced participants coordinate movement, signals, roles (e.g., scouts, medics, breakers), and de-escalation or escalation. These are typically chosen on the spot or within small pre-existing affinity groups (tight-knit circles of friends/trust networks who plan together).
  
  en.wikipedia.org
• Some local Antifa collectives (e.g., Rose City Antifa in Portland) have more consistent participants, public spokespeople, doxxing efforts, and internal decision-making processes (often consensus-based). Specific individuals can exert influence locally.
  
  en.wikipedia.org
• During events, you see coordinated behavior: marching together, protecting each other, smashing things in waves. This looks like "a group with leaders" because it is a group acting collectively at that moment.

Once again Antifa is an official domestic terrorist group and quite rightly is now subject to action.

The Democrats will of course stop that if they regain power because these are their foot soldiers, who.....while they can't always control them reliably can certainly expect them to work in their favour.

I believe there was collusion during the first Trump presidency and we all saw the violence stop once the Democrats won in 2020. Now that Trump is back in power, we see Antifa quiet because Trump is going after them....or at least is giving that impression.

Everything you post confirms what I have been trying to tell you. This is not an “organisation”. It’s a number of groups loosely connected by the common aim of opposing fascism. They can even use Antifa in their identification, but what’s in a name?

Of course those groups have leaders who organise them, but locally, not centrally.

Trump is being ridiculous. It’s just showboating and window dressing. Which should and will go nowhere. If you agree with Trump then you too are being ridiculous.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Charlie Kirk made the same point several times.

Well done him then. He did seem a more intelligent and thoughtful man than most on his side of politics.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Well done him then. He did seem a more intelligent and thoughtful man than most on his side of politics.

And look what it got him.