Move the women's game to SP

Bumped into the Palace Women's U21 manager at Lime St this afternoon. He said the women's team could still get promoted as the top 2 play.
Definitely a boost to have both teams in the top division for club profile. Good luck to them next weekend!
 
Bumped into the Palace Women's U21 manager at Lime St this afternoon. He said the women's team could still get promoted as the top 2 play.
Definitely a boost to have both teams in the top division for club profile. Good luck to them next weekend!
A win and they’re definitely up!!
 
a serious question - is it worth going up after our experience last season - one win all year?

The club put an extra £1m into the women's team and they just couldn't compete with the top league teams.

I can see a repeat unless serious money is put in.

it's like Palace playing in the Champions League - great experience, but out of our depth.
 
a serious question - is it worth going up after our experience last season - one win all year?

The club put an extra £1m into the women's team and they just couldn't compete with the top league teams.

I can see a repeat unless serious money is put in.

it's like Palace playing in the Champions League - great experience, but out of our depth.

they won 2 games (leicester away and villa at home). They did come close in a few others too but i take your point.

The difference next season though is that 2 others from the same division could also go up with them so is a better chance of staying up and building. This is exactly why the wsl voted to make the change and increase the number of teams. It's in the hope that others can improve rather than the team being promoted going down the next season every time.
 
a serious question - is it worth going up after our experience last season - one win all year?

The club put an extra £1m into the women's team and they just couldn't compete with the top league teams.

I can see a repeat unless serious money is put in.

it's like Palace playing in the Champions League - great experience, but out of our depth.
Of course it’s always worth going up, otherwise what’s the point? Better to go up and have a good crack at it even if it does end in relegation
 
Of course it’s always worth going up, otherwise what’s the point? Better to go up and have a good crack at it even if it does end in relegation
So if SP said we were putting X millions into the women's team next season in the hope they can compete, and this would be at the expense of the men's team, due to FFP restrictions you'd be happy with that would you?

When we went up 2 years ago SP said he'd earmarked over £1m extra and this clearly wasn't anywhere near enough. So £3 or £4m might be required this time out.

The women's team is already loss making so not sure the finances stack up.
 
So if SP said we were putting X millions into the women's team next season in the hope they can compete, and this would be at the expense of the men's team, due to FFP restrictions you'd be happy with that would you?

When we went up 2 years ago SP said he'd earmarked over £1m extra and this clearly wasn't anywhere near enough. So £3 or £4m might be required this time out.

The women's team is already loss making so not sure the finances stack up.

Nope. But I'm still happy for them to go up and straight back again.

I wouldn't be happy to bankrole them. The women's game has to evolve at its own pace. But we should help out how we can.
 
So if SP said we were putting X millions into the women's team next season in the hope they can compete, and this would be at the expense of the men's team, due to FFP restrictions you'd be happy with that would you?

When we went up 2 years ago SP said he'd earmarked over £1m extra and this clearly wasn't anywhere near enough. So £3 or £4m might be required this time out.

The women's team is already loss making so not sure the finances stack up.
I don’t see what that’s got to do with whether it’s worth going up or not. If we gain promotion and turn it down(if we can) what’s the point of the whole season if you don’t take the prize you win at the end of it?

Much as I don’t watch women’s football, I know others do and the women’s team are part of our club and as a club that has just spent £85 million on two players the amount needed to possibly improve the women’s team is chicken feed in comparison so if it’s money that comes out of the club it’s fine by me, and that’s someone who doesn’t watch or enjoy women’s football
 
So if SP said we were putting X millions into the women's team next season in the hope they can compete, and this would be at the expense of the men's team, due to FFP restrictions you'd be happy with that would you?

When we went up 2 years ago SP said he'd earmarked over £1m extra and this clearly wasn't anywhere near enough. So £3 or £4m might be required this time out.

The women's team is already loss making so not sure the finances stack up.
This seems to me to be the major issue with the fledgling professional women's game.

You do, of course, get mainstream media outlets who should know better giving an unchallenged platform to those who try and shame clubs into greater funding for their women's teams. The argument is usually that it is a sign of inequality if Palace mens team gets X whilst the women's team only gets Y. They say this as if there is some central pot from which funding for both is allocated, rather than one being a long established business generating its own budget, to which the other has recently been attached.

It didn't have to work that way. Womens teams could have been created from scratch with no reference to the professional men's game. It was once like that. Croydon had a great women's team 30 years ago that had nothing to do with palace. I'm not sure they were even semiprofessional though, and that iteration if the women's game didn't last.

Why a women's team would want to connect to an established professional men's team is obvious. The question I ask myself is why have mens professional clubs decided to incorporate women's teams? They aren't obligated to as far as I can tell. Why have they done it?

If it's just a gesture of goodwill to raise the profile of what essentially remains a wholly independent business, then that's great. It should be made clear, though. Nobody could reasonably expect the men's team to fund the women's team then.

If EPL clubs want what they think is the positive publicity of having a women's team and have not been clear about the degree of separation, then they've made a rod for their own backs. That women's team can highlight how hard it is to become established in the highest levels without more money, and point out that what one underperforming mens player makes in a season would transform their entire team. There will be articles about the poor facilities a particular womens team train on, how they wash their own kits, how hard it is to make a living from football etc. All these things are true of non League mens teams, but the difference is that they aren't connected to EPL teams, so nobody has any expectations. The conditions for the players reflect the economic reality for that club.

If mens EPL teams feel the women's game is an investment opportunity and that's why they've become involved, then that's a different matter again. What is the end goal of that, though? Would the men's team ultimately be able to take money out of the women's team if they wanted to?

For me, men's teams may represent a community, but that is to do with the support base. It doesn't change the business model and make those clubs a wider sports club of which the men's football team is but one aspect, which is what they have in Europe. I don't see why any the money I pay for my ticket should go to the women's team, as that's not who I paid to watch. However, perhaps some of the sponsorship deals are related to palace having a women's team? Who knows?

Ultimately, whether palace men should fund palace women to any degree depends on the nature of the agreement between the two and the benefits derived. None of which seem very clear.
 
This seems to me to be the major issue with the fledgling professional women's game.

You do, of course, get mainstream media outlets who should know better giving an unchallenged platform to those who try and shame clubs into greater funding for their women's teams. The argument is usually that it is a sign of inequality if Palace mens team gets X whilst the women's team only gets Y. They say this as if there is some central pot from which funding for both is allocated, rather than one being a long established business generating its own budget, to which the other has recently been attached.

It didn't have to work that way. Womens teams could have been created from scratch with no reference to the professional men's game. It was once like that. Croydon had a great women's team 30 years ago that had nothing to do with palace. I'm not sure they were even semiprofessional though, and that iteration if the women's game didn't last.

Why a women's team would want to connect to an established professional men's team is obvious. The question I ask myself is why have mens professional clubs decided to incorporate women's teams? They aren't obligated to as far as I can tell. Why have they done it?

If it's just a gesture of goodwill to raise the profile of what essentially remains a wholly independent business, then that's great. It should be made clear, though. Nobody could reasonably expect the men's team to fund the women's team then.

If EPL clubs want what they think is the positive publicity of having a women's team and have not been clear about the degree of separation, then they've made a rod for their own backs. That women's team can highlight how hard it is to become established in the highest levels without more money, and point out that what one underperforming mens player makes in a season would transform their entire team. There will be articles about the poor facilities a particular womens team train on, how they wash their own kits, how hard it is to make a living from football etc. All these things are true of non League mens teams, but the difference is that they aren't connected to EPL teams, so nobody has any expectations. The conditions for the players reflect the economic reality for that club.

If mens EPL teams feel the women's game is an investment opportunity and that's why they've become involved, then that's a different matter again. What is the end goal of that, though? Would the men's team ultimately be able to take money out of the women's team if they wanted to?

For me, men's teams may represent a community, but that is to do with the support base. It doesn't change the business model and make those clubs a wider sports club of which the men's football team is but one aspect, which is what they have in Europe. I don't see why any the money I pay for my ticket should go to the women's team, as that's not who I paid to watch. However, perhaps some of the sponsorship deals are related to palace having a women's team? Who knows?

Ultimately, whether palace men should fund palace women to any degree depends on the nature of the agreement between the two and the benefits derived. None of which seem very clear.

Because its 2026. If they dont, some people with hairy armpits will get very cross.
 
Back to topic, they absolutely should move this to Selhurst. The wife has started going to watch the woman's team and as we're around the corner from the ground, I can get some peace and quiet for the afternoon

(I'd probably go with her tbh, although women's football is truly awful)
 
Back to topic, they absolutely should move this to Selhurst. The wife has started going to watch the woman's team and as we're around the corner from the ground, I can get some peace and quiet for the afternoon

(I'd probably go with her tbh, although women's football is truly awful)
😂😂😂😂
 
Now that the women only need a win next saturday for promotion to the wsl top division it would make sense for the club to move the game to selhurst park!!

I'm sure they'd get a big enough crowd to justify this!from a fans perspective
as a season ticket holder of the ladies team, the LAST thing is want is this game at SP

part of lower hol, main stand and part of WH could be open, leaving AW closed

this would lead to almost NO atmosphere being generated, the support being fractured

leave us at sutton, a ground we call home, a ground where an atmosphere can be and is generated
 
This seems to me to be the major issue with the fledgling professional women's game.

You do, of course, get mainstream media outlets who should know better giving an unchallenged platform to those who try and shame clubs into greater funding for their women's teams. The argument is usually that it is a sign of inequality if Palace mens team gets X whilst the women's team only gets Y. They say this as if there is some central pot from which funding for both is allocated, rather than one being a long established business generating its own budget, to which the other has recently been attached.

It didn't have to work that way. Womens teams could have been created from scratch with no reference to the professional men's game. It was once like that. Croydon had a great women's team 30 years ago that had nothing to do with palace. I'm not sure they were even semiprofessional though, and that iteration if the women's game didn't last.

Why a women's team would want to connect to an established professional men's team is obvious. The question I ask myself is why have mens professional clubs decided to incorporate women's teams? They aren't obligated to as far as I can tell. Why have they done it?

If it's just a gesture of goodwill to raise the profile of what essentially remains a wholly independent business, then that's great. It should be made clear, though. Nobody could reasonably expect the men's team to fund the women's team then.

If EPL clubs want what they think is the positive publicity of having a women's team and have not been clear about the degree of separation, then they've made a rod for their own backs. That women's team can highlight how hard it is to become established in the highest levels without more money, and point out that what one underperforming mens player makes in a season would transform their entire team. There will be articles about the poor facilities a particular womens team train on, how they wash their own kits, how hard it is to make a living from football etc. All these things are true of non League mens teams, but the difference is that they aren't connected to EPL teams, so nobody has any expectations. The conditions for the players reflect the economic reality for that club.

If mens EPL teams feel the women's game is an investment opportunity and that's why they've become involved, then that's a different matter again. What is the end goal of that, though? Would the men's team ultimately be able to take money out of the women's team if they wanted to?

For me, men's teams may represent a community, but that is to do with the support base. It doesn't change the business model and make those clubs a wider sports club of which the men's football team is but one aspect, which is what they have in Europe. I don't see why any the money I pay for my ticket should go to the women's team, as that's not who I paid to watch. However, perhaps some of the sponsorship deals are related to palace having a women's team? Who knows?

Ultimately, whether palace men should fund palace women to any degree depends on the nature of the agreement between the two and the benefits derived. None of which seem very clear.
good post. In answer to your last question ultimately CPFC is one big club so all teams are funded by the group as a whole. Clearly most of the money goes into the men's 1st team, but the academy is expensive to run and is clearly run at a loss. The same with all the community initiatives we do.

I have nothing against the women's team and wish them well but they have shown they cannot compete in the Super league, the top 6 clubs in particular are just too strong. It's not just us, i think Bristol City did similar the year before.

We could chuck loads of money at it, similar to London Lionesses, but with crowds of just over 1k at Sutton and maybe 5k at Selhurst it will be a big loss leader.
 
good post. In answer to your last question ultimately CPFC is one big club so all teams are funded by the group as a whole. Clearly most of the money goes into the men's 1st team, but the academy is expensive to run and is clearly run at a loss. The same with all the community initiatives we do.

I have nothing against the women's team and wish them well but they have shown they cannot compete in the Super league, the top 6 clubs in particular are just too strong. It's not just us, i think Bristol City did similar the year before.

We could chuck loads of money at it, similar to London Lionesses, but with crowds of just over 1k at Sutton and maybe 5k at Selhurst it will be a big loss leader.
The FA and the BBC loves to big up attendances for women's football what they don't mention is the amount of free tickets and ticket prices in general which are way lower than the men's game. Revenue is the key.
 
The FA and the BBC loves to big up attendances for women's football what they don't mention is the amount of free tickets and ticket prices in general which are way lower than the men's game. Revenue is the key.
If you put a Chelsea league game on, they don’t even fill Kingstonians old ground, Arsenal don’t fill Boreham woods ground, so you’re right they do like to big up how popular it is

Admittedly the women’s game is good for families who can’t afford or can’t get tickets for the men’s game, it can be a chance to take the kids to Wembley or the emirates etc
 

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