So Why the Long Throw ?

waterfordpal

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I cannot understand why we persevered with long throws only to have it headed away time and again. On at least 3 occasions while they were waiting for a long one Lerma could have just thrown it short to an unmarked Palace player who would have been better placed to get in a cross. We just wasted time when we could have got on with the game. Their defence knew what to expect every time.
 
It smacks of our struggles to create anything at selhurst, so it’s an easy option. It wouldn’t be so bad if we had a bit of aerial ability in the box, but like you said it just doesn’t work, we all know for a big bloke JP is not that great in the air and Larsen doesn’t appear much better
 
I hate it. It slows the game down and enables the opposing defenders to mark our players up. Sometimes the distance is ridiculous, and we don't put anyone in a position to head the ball on. A quick throw keeps the pressure on, allowing Munoz and Mitchell to cross the ball instead.
 
It will be justified in some way by statistics. Our success rate from long throws might not seem to suggest as much, but we have been very good from set plays generally since Glasner took over. We are in the top half for goals scored from them and top five for defending against them.

Years ago I did the coaching badges, and was exposed to a range of influences from tiki-taka total football disciples to long ball merchants. The latter involves a surprising amount of science, extending beyond detailed roles for the actual initial ball into the box to roles for the second and third phases thereafter.

The famous lower league promotion specialist and long ball guru John Beck once told us all about it. Essentially, a lot of the set up on long throws and corners is to do with a 'ring of steel' around the edge of the box, trying to ensure that we regain the second ball and put it back in the box, and the same for a third ball. Statistically, your chances of scoring increase exponentially each time (so the second entry is more dangerous than the first, and the third more so again).

Much the same logic applies to using all ten outfield players to defend corners, rather than leaving a fast forward up front. Statistically it is more effective.

Of course, none of it is guaranteed to win you a game, and it gets tedious, whatever the stats say.

The really interesting thing I learned on the coaching courses was that players often don't like it either. They will tolerate a direct, statistics based approach if they are winning, but are often quick to rebel as soon as results wobble. That was 15-20 year ago, though, and modern players seem less inclined to think for themselves so will perhaps just get on with it.

I suppose Richards could mix it up once in a while, catching the opponents by surprise with a short throw to a team mate who passes it back to him in space on the wing. Thing is, the end result would be Chris Richards with the ball at his feet on the wing, so perhaps better just to launch it after all!
 
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Players are scared to think for themselves these days as going against manager's instructions tends to either get you hooked off or dropped for next game.....
Agreed, did you see Kamada take a free kick near the end and look at the bench for guidance.

Similarly, at corners we now defend predominantly in zones so there is minimal talking etc, and don't change things even after conceding.

Re the long throw - i don't think the stats will support it as we don't seem to have created even a half chance from them for months
 
Don’t think there’s anything wrong taking long throws. What is wrong is the ability to mix it with occasional short ones and whipping in a cross. Glasner has us at one way as was mentioned with the Kamada late free kick where he looked to the bench for guidance?
 
It smacks of our struggles to create anything at selhurst, so it’s an easy option. It wouldn’t be so bad if we had a bit of aerial ability in the box, but like you said it just doesn’t work, we all know for a big bloke JP is not that great in the air and Larsen doesn’t appear much better
Johnson jumps well but hes abit of a 50p head , did like listening to Dean Austin but some players are just not great heading the ball
 
All teams are now well set up to combat the long throw - hence our two long throwers have produced zero effect of late. We need to improve our corners and crosses and avoid low, high and too-near-the- keeper balls. It also helps if the forwards arrive in time as they are required for defensive duties and can't always make it.
 
Agreed, did you see Kamada take a free kick near the end and look at the bench for guidance.

Similarly, at corners we now defend predominantly in zones so there is minimal talking etc, and don't change things even after conceding.

Re the long throw - i don't think the stats will support it as we don't seem to have created even a half chance from them for months
Just last week we won against Newcastle because of a long throw so...
 

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