Main Stand redevelopment thread

[TheBigToePunt]

The new stand was needed whether we were in the Premier League or the championship. The old one is well past it's sell by date, and is arguably a potential death trap.

Well, it's certainly antiquated, but it is subject to safety licensing like any public venue so certifiably not a death trap.

It would be nice to think we would need the increased capacity in the championship. I'm not too sure that's always been the case, though.

 

[Vaibow]

even if the stadium was too big for a champ club, I don't see why the club just wouldn't donate tickets to school kids... rather than let empty seats go.. they come in, grab a burger coke etc.. etc it's revenue.

 

[mtp1958]

even if the stadium was too big for a champ club, I don't see why the club just wouldn't donate tickets to school kids... rather than let empty seats go.. they come in, grab a burger coke etc.. etc it's revenue.

Used tobe £1 for kids for certain matches in back end of the 90s early 00s when my kids was young still ended up spending a 100 most of it in club shop 🫣

 

[TheBigToePunt]

even if the stadium was too big for a champ club, I don't see why the club just wouldn't donate tickets to school kids... rather than let empty seats go.. they come in, grab a burger coke etc.. etc it's revenue.

That does instinctively feel like a good idea, but I think some clubs have run into trouble doing it. If you've paid £100-£150 for your kinds season ticket and then his classmate gets in for free half the time, you might wonder why you paid out I suppose.

Plus I'd guess the repayments on the stand are based on it being full of punters who have paid X for as ticket, and gone to the bar as well.

 

[Caterham]

That does instinctively feel like a good idea, but I think some clubs have run into trouble doing it. If you've paid £100-£150 for your kinds season ticket and then his classmate gets in for free half the time, you might wonder why you paid out I suppose.

Plus I'd guess the repayments on the stand are based on it being full of punters who have paid X for as ticket, and gone to the bar as well.

The kids for a quid initiative is clearly the gateway drug to get them hooked on the Palace experience, then the kids pester mum & dad to take them more often, its no secret that our generation is progressively becoming incapable / unable to attend (for any number of reasons)

 

[mtp1958]

Don't know if you anyone has covered it yet do we still have junior sections at either end of the main , also will they still have a section in the new build

 

[TheBigToePunt]

The kids for a quid initiative is clearly the gateway drug to get them hooked on the Palace experience, then the kids pester mum & dad to take them more often, its no secret that our generation is progressively becoming incapable / unable to attend (for any number of reasons)

Yes, the logic behind kids for a quid is beyond question. No doubt about it. Thing is, if you'd paid out full price for your son and daughter's season tickets, when they could have got in for a pound half the time, would you be happy? Personally, I wouldn't mind it, but its enough to stop some from buying those season tickets altogether.

I think that's why clubs hold back from giving away empty seats, even to local kids.

Hopefully we'll always have the balance right, or as right as it gets in the money grabbing modern age of football. Parish has spoken about the importance of bringing money in through corporate seats so that he can keep general admission prices down, to be fair.

 

[Badger11]

Yes, the logic behind kids for a quid is beyond question. No doubt about it. Thing is, if you'd paid out full price for your son and daughter's season tickets, when they could have got in for a pound half the time, would you be happy? Personally, I wouldn't mind it, but its enough to stop some from buying those season tickets altogether.

I think that's why clubs hold back from giving away empty seats, even to local kids.

Hopefully we'll always have the balance right, or as right as it gets in the money grabbing modern age of football. Parish has spoken about the importance of bringing money in through corporate seats so that he can keep general admission prices down, to be fair.

Charlton did this a while back and not just a one off, quite a few games in one season. As you suggest whilst the season ticket holders are happy for new fans to come along they weren't best pleased that they were paying top dollar whilst someone else has a freebie.

I think these things need to be sorted out before any season tickets go on sale so at least people know what they are buying. I don't think Charlton did that.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

Skip to 9:40 on this video for a bit of harmless make-believe on the future of selhurst park. The video appears to be a mix of actual projects, proposals, and the creators daydreams.

Speaking from the perspective of what is likely to gain planning permission, and settling aside cost and landownership, something like the version of the Whitehorse Lane end shown in the video is perfectly feasible. The Arthur, on the other hand, probably not, due to the proximity of the houses on park road.

 

[Caterham]

Yes, the logic behind kids for a quid is beyond question. No doubt about it. Thing is, if you'd paid out full price for your son and daughter's season tickets, when they could have got in for a pound half the time, would you be happy? Personally, I wouldn't mind it, but its enough to stop some from buying those season tickets altogether.

I think that's why clubs hold back from giving away empty seats, even to local kids.

Hopefully we'll always have the balance right, or as right as it gets in the money grabbing modern age of football. Parish has spoken about the importance of bringing money in through corporate seats so that he can keep general admission prices down, to be fair.

The kids for a quid thing was really only utilised during our pre PL time, more often than not for unfashionable games when everyone knew the stadium would be maybe only 65% full, Against teams making long journeys south with very few traveling supporters,
Now we have 17,000 ish season ticket holders, (with a capacity of 24,400 ish) how realistic it is to do I really don't know, maybe with the new stand upgrade / development season ticket holders get the best seats & the kids for a quid buyers get an allocation in the less glamourous parts of the ground ?

 

[madcap_v2]

The kids for a quid thing was really only utilised during our pre PL time, more often than not for unfashionable games when everyone knew the stadium would be maybe only 65% full, Against teams making long journeys south with very few traveling supporters,
Now we have 17,000 ish season ticket holders, (with a capacity of 24,400 ish) how realistic it is to do I really don't know, maybe with the new stand upgrade / development season ticket holders get the best seats & the kids for a quid buyers get an allocation in the less glamourous parts of the ground ?

We're making a very big assumption that a) we won't fill the ground, b) we would do kids for a quid again.

Given inflation, it will probably be more kids for £10!

 

[ASCPFC]

We're making a very big assumption that a) we won't fill the ground, b) we would do kids for a quid again.

Given inflation, it will probably be more kids for £10!

We're making quite an assumption that we will build anything soon.

 

[Vaibow]

Yes, the logic behind kids for a quid is beyond question. No doubt about it. Thing is, if you'd paid out full price for your son and daughter's season tickets, when they could have got in for a pound half the time, would you be happy? Personally, I wouldn't mind it, but its enough to stop some from buying those season tickets altogether.

I think that's why clubs hold back from giving away empty seats, even to local kids.

Hopefully we'll always have the balance right, or as right as it gets in the money grabbing modern age of football. Parish has spoken about the importance of bringing money in through corporate seats so that he can keep general admission prices down, to be fair.

I mean there are those kids less fortunate and something like palace on a Saturday if that is the carrot to dangle to keep them focused, on track.. all for it..

 

[Caterham]

I mean there are those kids less fortunate and something like palace on a Saturday if that is the carrot to dangle to keep them focused, on track.. all for it..

Well both Spurs & WH have stadiums that they will struggle to fill in the Championship so it wont be too long b4 we can see how they handle things .

 

[johnny the eagle]

Well both Spurs & WH have stadiums that they will struggle to fill in the Championship so it wont be too long b4 we can see how they handle things .

Just my take on things, I wouldn't mind betting that Spurs get at least around 50 to 55 thousand even in the Championship, they might even achieve the gates they get now. If we ever build a new stand, I think our gate capacity of around 34 thousand is well below what we are capable of getting. We should aim for a ground capacity of at least 45 to 50 thousand. We are in London in the Premier League, not the Outer Mongolian League Division 6 for jeez's sake.

 

[cryrst]

Just my take on things, I wouldn't mind betting that Spurs get at least around 50 to 55 thousand even in the Championship, they might even achieve the gates they get now. If we ever build a new stand, I think our gate capacity of around 34 thousand is well below what we are capable of getting. We should aim for a ground capacity of at least 45 to 50 thousand. We are in London in the Premier League, not the Outer Mongolian League Division 6 for jeez's sake.

 

[eaglesdare]

Just my take on things, I wouldn't mind betting that Spurs get at least around 50 to 55 thousand even in the Championship, they might even achieve the gates they get now. If we ever build a new stand, I think our gate capacity of around 34 thousand is well below what we are capable of getting. We should aim for a ground capacity of at least 45 to 50 thousand. We are in London in the Premier League, not the Outer Mongolian League Division 6 for jeez's sake.

In all honesty....we can't even fill out current capacity on a league game. Unless it's against man u, Chelsea Liverpool.

Unpopular opinion but I think our ground capacity is just right for us. And we are wasting time trying to increase it. Maybe we should just renovate the main stand instead.

 

[grumpymort]

Well both Spurs & WH have stadiums that they will struggle to fill in the Championship so it wont be too long b4 we can see how they handle things .

Spurs will still fill that stadium if relegated.

They are like Arsenal have numbers greater then the stadium size just inline for season tickets.

 

[Norbury Old Git]

In all honesty....we can't even fill out current capacity on a league game. Unless it's against man u, Chelsea Liverpool.

Unpopular opinion but I think our ground capacity is just right for us. And we are wasting time trying to increase it. Maybe we should just renovate the main stand instead.

No team fills their ground to capacity each week and the attendance figures shown in papers is often twaddle. If you looked beyond the players on TV you could see the empty seats at Spurs and West Ham even at the start of matches yet they post 60,000 attendances. It’s the same for all.

If you look around you will see empty seats doted around. In the Arthur Wait we have a zone of 250-500 seats between home and away fans. In the Main stand seats allocated to players and directors which may not be taken up. Increased space allocated to the press, television and disabled fans further reduces the capacity. Add to that the boxes which are harder to sell because of catering costs. Not withstanding this reviews have shown that Palace have one of the highest attendance to capacity percentages in the Premier League.

 

[TheBigToePunt]

In all honesty....we can't even fill out current capacity on a league game. Unless it's against man u, Chelsea Liverpool.

Unpopular opinion but I think our ground capacity is just right for us. And we are wasting time trying to increase it. Maybe we should just renovate the main stand instead.

I think that for all the benefits of building a whole new stadium in one project, as so many clubs have done, and for all the different and varied hurdles that will come into play if palace try to redevelop selhurst stand by stand, at least we get to test demand for tickets as we go.

If we build the new main stand and find we rarely get more than 30000 paying punters then no need to try and expand further. If we sell out fairly often then we can, at some stage, explore expansion of the Whitehorse end. Then reassess.

In it's way, that has to be better than estimating the appropriate capacity for a new stadium only to find it's too big or small later on.