Immigration

[HKOwen]

If no rape then good news.

This episode demonstrates that people have reached breaking point with the state of policing which is understandable.

 

[beak]

I really don’t need to hear any story! I am just saying the police don’t want to start a witch hunt. Talking of witch hunts, how is your Mr Starmer going to worm he’s way out of the latest debacle 🤔

I have already answered the question of Sir Keirs culpability , we are debating on THIS thread the fact that a female in their 20s has reported a rape in Epsom, what might help is to look at the things we know are true and work from there,in this day and age if evidence was there the police would be referred to the I.P.C.C. and would be looking for a minimum pay job in security. So no "gang of men" were seen on C.T.T.V. no D.N.A. no witnesses, so trust me there WILL be a court case maybe not the one you were pulling the putty to. 😉

 

[PalazioVecchio]

(There must be a good reason why the police haven’t released anything.)

Yes because if they said the rapists were foreign nationals there would be demonstrations outside the the local asylum seeker hotels

whether or not there is a reluctance to identify the accused. There is certainly no hesitation to name and shame the demonstrators......including printing what street they live on. And the swift speed of getting them into Court and into the Newspapers ? breath-taking

Why the man accused of sexually assaulting a young girl near Citywest can't be named

Under Irish law, individuals accused of certain sexual offences cannot be publicly identified before a conviction.

www.thejournal.ie

16 people appear in court following second night of rioting in Citywest

People from across the country appeared in court for a variety of charges in relation to the unrest last night.

www.thejournal.ie

 

[Racehorse-80s]

I would ask the Epsom Police if the CCTV covers the church . ( There is some doubt about this as a previous assault outside the church was not caught on CCTV last year ) .

Has the victim named her attackers .

How long after the attack did the victim come forward and was she prompted to do so .

Was the victim injured in the attack .

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I thought you didn’t agree with protests.
Let plod do their job you said !

I don’t but as I am quite sure they won’t even think of doing so made a sarcastic suggestion!

They can always prove me wrong!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I would ask the Epsom Police if the CCTV covers the church . ( There is some doubt about this as a previous assault outside the church was not caught on CCTV last year ) .

Has the victim named her attackers .

How long after the attack did the victim come forward and was she prompted to do so .

Was the victim injured in the attack .

These are the wrong questions. Right now there is no victim. There is a report of an alleged rape. Nothing else.

 

[beak]

I would ask the Epsom Police if the CCTV covers the church . ( There is some doubt about this as a previous assault outside the church was not caught on CCTV last year ) .

Has the victim named her attackers .

How long after the attack did the victim come forward and was she prompted to do so .

Was the victim injured in the attack .

Apparently the police statement would cover forensic evidence, if per chance such a thing is eventually unearthed we will find out the truth it is in any event a sickening story that will not reflect well on any of the parties involved and I might be able to go to the Building Society if they are allowed to open if mob rule has abated, there are not many Leeds B.S. around.

 

[Mattconrov]

Who suggested the protesters are stupid?

I don’t think they are but I do think they aren’t thinking straight, or are being encouraged to suspect things that remain unknown.

This issue has nothing at all to do with immigration yet as soon as the police say they cannot release identification conclusions are jumped to. If they needed to release something they would. If they had something that might help. You cannot prosecute anything without sufficient evidence to remove any reasonable doubt. A lady claiming something isn’t evidence.

There must be a good reason why the police haven’t released anything. I don’t think they should unless it would help to bring someone to face justice and never just to satisfy prejudices. If people don’t want to be branded racist the answer is simple and lies entirely in their own hands. Which is to stop doing things that have any appearance of a racist motivation.

People are far beyond caring whether they are called rascist these days. Especially with the amount of sexuel abuse attacks by migrants.

I didn't say you thought the protesters were stupid. Not everything is about you Mr Wisbech.

However what you did say were the protesters were talking bollox.

Your words, not mine.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

These are the wrong questions. Right now there is no victim. There is a report of an alleged rape. Nothing else.

Didn't make any difference in Rochdale and elsewhere for decades where there were hundreds of victims.

 

[Mattconrov]

If no rape then good news.

This episode demonstrates that people have reached breaking point with the state of policing which is understandable.

I mentioned in an earlier post, that there appeared to be a false allegation of rape by foreign men in village.

This was 4 years ago and barely made the mainstream media.

Over the following years, the temperature has risen.

It's true to say you can't blame people for reacting quickly.

For this I put at the doorstep of our pathetic politicians and police force.

 

[beak]

Didn't make any difference in Rochdale and elsewhere for decades where there were hundreds of victims.

Your point is very, very valid the police and society have had the scales lifted from their eyes, we really need to go forward and properly learn that vulnerable children need special protection from predators and someone to speak to on any concerns they have and not be jettisoned at eighteen into an uncaring society.

 

[eaglesdare]

So did the woman lie? Or is it a police cover up?

Surely if it's a lie the woman is charged?

Where's the #metoo lot?

 

[Mattconrov]

Your point is very, very valid the police and society have had the scales lifted from their eyes, we really need to go forward and properly learn that vulnerable children need special protection from predators and someone to speak to on any concerns they have and not be jettisoned at eighteen into an uncaring society.

Care home abuse and the abuse of other vulnerable children still goes on.

We have to remember that many of our politicians and high ranking policeman are involved in this abuse.

Why this abuse continues is simple. The people who could put a stop to it are complicit in it.

A case of the fox guarding the hen house.

Don't expect anything to change

 

[Racehorse-80s]

So did the woman lie? Or is it a police cover up?

Surely if it's a lie the woman is charged?

Where's the #metoo lot?

I think it’s too early to come to any conclusion given the inconclusive Police statement .
Still a lot of unanswered questions , The girl may have returned home and washed of any DNA evidence before reporting the rape .
None of us know if she was drugged and unsure of what happened at first .

 

[beak]

I think it’s too early to come to any conclusion given the inconclusive Police statement .
Still a lot of unanswered questions , The girl may have returned home and washed of any DNA evidence before reporting the rape .
None of us know if she was drugged and unsure of what happened at first .

I wish to differ they have said very clearly that there is NO evidence to prove or disprove the allegation that they can find, I know Epsom well and that part is very busy at all times and it is very surprising that a passer by or a car saw absolutely nothing and no proof exists of any kind.

 

[Racehorse-80s]

These are the wrong questions. Right now there is no victim. There is a report of an alleged rape. Nothing else.

The Police described her as the victim ?

 

[Racehorse-80s]

I wish to differ they have said very clearly that there is NO evidence to prove or disprove the allegation that they can find, I know Epsom well and that part is very busy at all times and it is very surprising that a passer by or a car saw absolutely nothing and no proof exists of any kind.

I finished and started work at 1am and 4am in Epsom town centre for decades it’s deserted at those times .

 

[Mattconrov]

In the light of recent events and tensions.

I wish to put forward a theory. Not based on any proof but one based on a possibility.

Many times cctv has been claimed to not have been working when it would have settled certain conspiratorial arguments.

We have the technology to remove people from cctv coverage.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this could have happened.

Why are we only finding out now there is no cctv to back up a claim of rape?

Surely they would have looked at the cctv straight away

 

[beak]

I finished and started work at 1am and 4am in Epsom town centre for decades it’s deserted at those times .

Surprising as Labyrinth the nightclub that she allegedly attended was tipping out, next week I will ask a friend who runs a pub there, coming back from holiday I have often passed through at odd hours to avoid the traffic.

 

[ASCPFC]

In the light of recent events and tensions.

I wish to put forward a theory. Not based on any proof but one based on a possibility.

Many times cctv has been claimed to not have been working when it would have settled certain conspiratorial arguments.

We have the technology to remove people from cctv coverage.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that this could have happened.

Why are we only finding out now there is no cctv to back up a claim of rape?

Surely they would have looked at the cctv straight away

Another part of this is not believing the victim. Where have we heard this before? Is that how it works now?