Reform

[eaglesdare]

So the subject of seven million Jews gassed by the right wing makes you uncomfortable and not up for debate Was the right correct to go in for mass genocide? Come on I know you have a ready made excuse somewhere.

Which brings me back to going from rising gas bills to hitler and genocide is why the left can't be taken seriously anymore.

It seems the far left of today have more in common with the far right of the 1930s/40s in that they do not tolerate Jews.

 

[beak]

Which brings me back to going from rising gas bills to hitler and genocide is why the left can't be taken seriously anymore.

It seems the far left of today have more in common with the far right of the 1930s/40s in that they do not tolerate Jews.

Pitiful, why did it happen? Yes German trains ran on time and Germany has a healthy fox population. You are very reluctant to discuss the facts. Seven million Jews gassed MUST be taken seriously as the biggest stain on history ever. You say the left cannot be taken seriously, we know what you are up to. No I have oil nonsense answer the question.

 

[eaglesdare]

Pitiful, why did it happen? Yes German trains ran on time and Germany has a healthy fox population. You are very reluctant to discuss the facts. Seven million Jews gassed MUST be taken seriously as the biggest stain on history ever. You say the left cannot be taken seriously, we know what you are up to. No I have oil nonsense answer the question.

I don't get the point you are trying to make? Why have you brought up Hitler, the nazis and a gas bill in a reform thread talking about politicians taking a stadium tour?

If you are asking why the Holocaust happened then I can tell you it was a horrific evil driven by Nazi ideology and antisemitism. No sane person on the right defends it.

 

[beak]

I don't get the point you are trying to make? Why have you brought up Hitler, the nazis and a gas bill in a reform thread talking about politicians taking a stadium tour?

If you are asking why the Holocaust happened then I can tell you it was a horrific evil driven by Nazi ideology and antisemitism. No sane person on the right defends it.

Well if you re- read the posts understanding might dawn. Do we agree that the Nazi regime was right wing? Do we agree that they hated certain ethnic groups? Do we agree that seven million jews were gassed to death but was it the right wing or not ? If you agree with the foregoing it is why a racist political party cannot be trusted anywhere near government and I am sure the British electorate cannot possibly trust the far right.

 

[georgenorman]

So the subject of seven million Jews gassed by the right wing makes you uncomfortable and not up for debate Was the right correct to go in for mass genocide? Come on I know you have a ready made excuse somewhere.

Was the Left correct to in for mass starvation, slave camps, show trials, torture, executions and zero democracy?

 

[beak]

Was the Left correct to in for mass starvation, slave camps, show trials, torture, executions and zero democracy?

That sentence is not readable english, you can do better.

 

[eaglesdare]

Well if you re- read the posts understanding might dawn. Do we agree that the Nazi regime was right wing? Do we agree that they hated certain ethnic groups? Do we agree that seven million jews were gassed to death but was it the right wing or not ? If you agree with the foregoing it is why a racist political party cannot be trusted anywhere near government and I am sure the British electorate cannot possibly trust the far right.

I do not agree that the Nazi party are right wing in the modern sense. They were more national socialists.

If we're talking trust around government and ethnic hatred then the real surge in antisemitism today is coming from the far left. Why should we trust a left wing or far left government in this sense then as today's far left has far more in common with 1930s Jew hatred.

I believe the conservative party was also right wing during WW2? Yet they fought against the Nazis?

 

[eaglesdare]

Simon Jordans view on the Nigel farage visit.

 

[beak]

I do not agree that the Nazi party are right wing in the modern sense. They were more national socialists.

If we're talking trust around government and ethnic hatred then the real surge in antisemitism today is coming from the far left. Why should we trust a left wing or far left government in this sense then as today's far left has far more in common with 1930s Jew hatred.

I believe the conservative party was also right wing during WW2? Yet they fought against the Nazis?

So what wing is National socialist? The vast majority of the far left in the 1917 russian uprising were of jewish descent. We today in Britain do not have a non democratic far left party but we do have a miasma of far right rascist parties. The relationship between those non democratic russians and the British Labour party can be best learned from the Scandal of the Zinoviev letter which revealed the russians deep seated fear of the democratic left which they could not tar with the usual capitalist epithets. Under Corbyn some far left loonies spouted anti jewish stuff but fortunately Corbyn and his mates have been expelled. The Tories did not run the country in World War two it was a coalition Government Churchill was fully backed by Labour, Ernest Bevin urged workers to ever greater output.Ernest Bevin (9 March 1881 – 14 April 1951) was a British statesman, trade union leader and Labour Party politician. He co-founded and served as General Secretary of the powerful Transport and General Workers' Union from 1922 to 1940 and served as Minister of Labour and National Service in the wartime coalition government. He succeeded in maximising the British labour supply for both the armed services and domestic industrial production with a minimum of strikes and disruption.

 

[georgenorman]

That sentence is not readable english, you can do better.

Was the Left correct to go in for mass starvation, slave camps, show trials, torture, executions, zero democracy and pedantry?

 

[ASCPFC]

Pitiful, why did it happen? Yes German trains ran on time and Germany has a healthy fox population. You are very reluctant to discuss the facts. Seven million Jews gassed MUST be taken seriously as the biggest stain on history ever. You say the left cannot be taken seriously, we know what you are up to. No I have oil nonsense answer the question.

As many non jews were killed by the Nazis as jews were. And I think if we look at how many Chinese and Russians were killed, then we could perhaps wonder if it's the biggest stain on history ever.
I find no one seems to care about how many Chinese were killed. A bit like no one seemed to care about extensive Japanese war crimes.

Off the top of my head Stalin killed about twenty million people out of total losses of forty million. Chinese losses are not fully known but with estimates of similar to Russian losses or more.

Our version of history is the Hollywood one for WW2.

 

[eaglesdare]

So what wing is National socialist? The vast majority of the far left in the 1917 russian uprising were of jewish descent. We today in Britain do not have a non democratic far left party but we do have a miasma of far right rascist parties. The relationship between those non democratic russians and the British Labour party can be best learned from the Scandal of the Zinoviev letter which revealed the russians deep seated fear of the democratic left which they could not tar with the usual capitalist epithets. Under Corbyn some far left loonies spouted anti jewish stuff but fortunately Corbyn and his mates have been expelled. The Tories did not run the country in World War two it was a coalition Government Churchill was fully backed by Labour, Ernest Bevin urged workers to ever greater output.Ernest Bevin (9 March 1881 – 14 April 1951) was a British statesman, trade union leader and Labour Party politician. He co-founded and served as General Secretary of the powerful Transport and General Workers' Union from 1922 to 1940 and served as Minister of Labour and National Service in the wartime coalition government. He succeeded in maximising the British labour supply for both the armed services and domestic industrial production with a minimum of strikes and disruption.

The National Socialists weren't "right wing" in the modern conservative and liberal sense. They were authoritarian collectivists with heavy state control, just like other socialists of the era, only with added racial nationalism in my opinion.

The real surge in UK antisemitism today is overwhelmingly linked to the far left. Not by reform or the tories.

Thanks for taking the time to provide the links. Some interesting points there for sure. Yes you are correct and I agree that WW2 Britain was a coalition. Churchill led the fight against the Nazis, backed by Labour's Bevin. The conservatives did not sit it out and they opposed hitler.

 

[beak]

The National Socialists weren't "right wing" in the modern conservative and liberal sense. They were authoritarian collectivists with heavy state control, just like other socialists of the era, only with added racial nationalism in my opinion.

The real surge in UK antisemitism today is overwhelmingly linked to the far left. Not by reform or the tories.

Thanks for taking the time to provide the links. Some interesting points there for sure. Yes you are correct and I agree that WW2 Britain was a coalition. Churchill led the fight against the Nazis, backed by Labour's Bevin. The conservatives did not sit it out and they opposed hitler.

The factories were urged on to maximum effort by Ernest Bevin , the Canadian newspaper tycoon deserves an honourable mention as his short stint as minister for aircraft production was during the Battle of Britain,rest assured i have no problem with the Tory Party but i draw the line at far right rascist parties.
Yes, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was a radical far-right movement. Emerging in the 1920s, it combined extreme nationalism, virulent antisemitism, and violent anti-communism with anti-democratic ideals. Despite "socialist" in their name, Nazis violently targeted the political left, outlawed unions, and favored private property and corporate profit.
Holocaust Encyclopedia +4
Key characteristics of the right-wing nature of Nazism include:

• Far-Right Ideology: Nazism is classified as a form of fascism, a far-right, totalitarian doctrine.
• Opposition to Leftism: The Nazis were deeply anti-Marxist and anti-socialist, targeting communists and socialists for imprisonment and killing.
• Core Beliefs: Their ideology was driven by extreme racism, ethnic nationalism, and the concept of an "Aryan" master race, aiming for territorial expansion (Lebensraum).
• Support Base: While they used populist propaganda, the Nazis garnered support from conservative elites, industrialists, and military leaders who viewed them as a bulwark against communism.
• Destruction of Democracy: The party aimed to destroy the democratic institutions of the Weimar Republic in favor of a dictatorship under Adolf Hitler.
  Holocaust Encyclopedia +7

 

[beak]

As many non jews were killed by the Nazis as jews were. And I think if we look at how many Chinese and Russians were killed, then we could perhaps wonder if it's the biggest stain on history ever.
I find no one seems to care about how many Chinese were killed. A bit like no one seemed to care about extensive Japanese war crimes.

Off the top of my head Stalin killed about twenty million people out of total losses of forty million. Chinese losses are not fully known but with estimates of similar to Russian losses or more.

Our version of history is the Hollywood one for WW2.

Eric Idle disagrees
The world today seems absolutely crackers
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high
There's fools and idiots sitting on the trigger
It's depressing, and it's senseless, and that's why...

I like Chinese
I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees
Yet they're always friendly and they're ready to to please

I like Chinese
I like Chinese
There's nine hundred million of them in the world today
You'd better learn to like them, that's what I say

I like Chinese

 

[McAhuna]

Simon Jordans view on the Nigel farage visit.

He's right.

Who's the other bellend? Incapable of grasping the very simple point Simon is making.

 

[McAhuna]

I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees

OMG, that's so racist. 😱

Someone alert the authorities!

 

[ASCPFC]

OMG, that's so racist.

Someone alert the authorities!

400 police are currently investigating. All leave has been cancelled.

 

[McAhuna]

400 police are currently investigating. All leave has been cancelled.

I just saw 10 meat wagons speed by, with full sirens blaring.

I assume they are heading Beak's way. Good lads.
Tasers set to 11 please boys.

 

[beak]

400 police are currently investigating. All leave has been cancelled.

Have we got 400 coppers?

 

[eaglesdare]

The factories were urged on to maximum effort by Ernest Bevin , the Canadian newspaper tycoon deserves an honourable mention as his short stint as minister for aircraft production was during the Battle of Britain,rest assured i have no problem with the Tory Party but i draw the line at far right rascist parties.
Yes, the Nazi Party (NSDAP) was a radical far-right movement. Emerging in the 1920s, it combined extreme nationalism, virulent antisemitism, and violent anti-communism with anti-democratic ideals. Despite "socialist" in their name, Nazis violently targeted the political left, outlawed unions, and favored private property and corporate profit.
View attachment 3153Holocaust Encyclopedia +4
Key characteristics of the right-wing nature of Nazism include:

• Far-Right Ideology: Nazism is classified as a form of fascism, a far-right, totalitarian doctrine.
• Opposition to Leftism: The Nazis were deeply anti-Marxist and anti-socialist, targeting communists and socialists for imprisonment and killing.
• Core Beliefs: Their ideology was driven by extreme racism, ethnic nationalism, and the concept of an "Aryan" master race, aiming for territorial expansion (Lebensraum).
• Support Base: While they used populist propaganda, the Nazis garnered support from conservative elites, industrialists, and military leaders who viewed them as a bulwark against communism.
• Destruction of Democracy: The party aimed to destroy the democratic institutions of the Weimar Republic in favor of a dictatorship under Adolf Hitler.
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Thanks for the copy and paste.
So what exactly is your point? Are you saying Reform are far right national socialists? And are just like the Nazis? We've been there done that with Trump and look what happened. He was voted in.

Looking at antisemitism incidents report from 2025:

Antisemitic Incidents Report 2025 – CST Publications

cst.org.uk

These incidents don't look like it's been caused by reform or its voters.