Royal Mail Privatisation

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It didn't take long, did it?

'A national insitution in meltdown'

Billionaire owner faces MPs over dismal service, price hikes failed deliveries etc. the same old story.

And it is labour doing this, not the tories.

So Liam Byrne you surely know the history of privatisations, so why did labour think this would be any different?

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The government and public need to be realistic. The Royal Mail is a business in terminal decline and so needs to be managed that way.

Who gets letters that they want these days? Most banks and utilities are now pushing people to electronic mail. The only paper mail I get is junk which I would happily do with out and I never asked for.

Aha I hear you say but what about pensioners who don't use computers. Well that is why I say it needs to be managed in it's decline. The customers who like paper are slowly dying out so I am not proposing we close the service but accept that we need to manage it that way.

The Royal Mail is bound by outdated laws which need to change. Universal postage is a joke and needs to be reformed for one thing.

Parcels are a different matter, that business is on the increase and is where the money is.
 
It didn't take long, did it?

'A national insitution in meltdown'

Billionaire owner faces MPs over dismal service, price hikes failed deliveries etc. the same old story.

And it is labour doing this, not the tories.

So Liam Byrne you surely know the history of privatisations, so why did labour think this would be any different?

😎
I would honestly agree with nationalised industries to an extent. For example, public transport, energy and water. But not sure I would think there's much of a future or even huge need to have Royal Mail back in public hands. I don't think it will really be that essential for much longer. Technology will take over delivery in every sense, before very long. It's not exactly a stretch to think of automated deliveries of all types and scales in the future. The technology is already there and in use but just needs a bit more time.
 
Where's the King in all of this that's what I want to know?
We are talking about the Royal Mail after all, not the Czech billionaire Daniel Křetínský’s Mail.
Bloomin' country's gone to the dogs.
 
It didn't take long, did it?

'A national insitution in meltdown'

Billionaire owner faces MPs over dismal service, price hikes failed deliveries etc. the same old story.

And it is labour doing this, not the tories.

So Liam Byrne you surely know the history of privatisations, so why did labour think this would be any different?

😎
The Tories allowed it to be privatised and recently Labour accepted a bid from Daniel Kretinsky, better known in the city as the Czech Sphinx.
 
To be fair, Royal Mail Staff don’t exactly help themselves at times.

I run a small business, and the last time there was a strike, our postie came round the day before it started with all the “sorry we missed you” cards already filled out. No attempt to deliver anything, just a pre-emptive surrender to the concept of effort.

On top of that, instead of the usual morning delivery, he turned up at half two in the afternoon, with a full van and dropped the cards, and disappeared.

Which meant nobody could get to the depot before it shut, and everything was effectively held hostage until the following week.

I’ve got no issue with strike action in principle. People are entitled to make their point. But there’s a difference between making a point and deliberately kneecapping the very businesses that rely on you doing the bare minimum of your job.

So when people turn up at the depot less than delighted and think the service is crap - it really shouldn’t come as a surprise.

And then you’ve got HMRC, who seem determined to keep the entire postal system alive through sheer volume alone. If they ever discovered email, the Royal Mail would probably need a bailout within a day.

As it stands, you can reliably expect six separate letters from the same department to all arrive at once, usually weeks after they were relevant, each one saying essentially the same thing in slightly different ways.

It’s almost impressive. One struggles to deliver post, the other refuses to stop sending it. A perfect system, if the goal is to ensure nothing useful happens at any point.
 
Where's the King in all of this that's what I want to know?
We are talking about the Royal Mail after all, not the Czech billionaire Daniel Křetínský’s Mail.
Bloomin' country's gone to the dogs.
The king should stamp out the bad behaviour as he is a Royal Male, it is his post as you say let us see if he can deliver. 👍
 
To be fair, Royal Mail Staff don’t exactly help themselves at times.

I run a small business, and the last time there was a strike, our postie came round the day before it started with all the “sorry we missed you” cards already filled out. No attempt to deliver anything, just a pre-emptive surrender to the concept of effort.

On top of that, instead of the usual morning delivery, he turned up at half two in the afternoon, with a full van and dropped the cards, and disappeared.

Which meant nobody could get to the depot before it shut, and everything was effectively held hostage until the following week.

I’ve got no issue with strike action in principle. People are entitled to make their point. But there’s a difference between making a point and deliberately kneecapping the very businesses that rely on you doing the bare minimum of your job.

So when people turn up at the depot less than delighted and think the service is crap - it really shouldn’t come as a surprise.

And then you’ve got HMRC, who seem determined to keep the entire postal system alive through sheer volume alone. If they ever discovered email, the Royal Mail would probably need a bailout within a day.

As it stands, you can reliably expect six separate letters from the same department to all arrive at once, usually weeks after they were relevant, each one saying essentially the same thing in slightly different ways.

It’s almost impressive. One struggles to deliver post, the other refuses to stop sending it. A perfect system, if the goal is to ensure nothing useful happens at any point.
Excellent post. In the past the postal workers have done themselves no favours and I hope things have changed.

A mate joined about 20 years ago and the rounds were determined by seniority. All the new people had a proper day's work whilst the older senior guys had cushy rounds which barely lasted a morning. If a manager asked one of them to "do a day's work" they would only comply if they were paid over time. So my mate was paid 8 hours whilst a senior could work 3 hours (paid 8 hour shift) and got 5 hours overtime.

Complete nonsense of course and hopefully that has changed.

Yesterday the owner was grilled in Parliament and pointed out how ridiculous the universal postage stamp was the MPs of course didn't want to know. And that is the real issue.

If Parliament had any sense they would have a proper conversation about the service and what needs to change and what needs to be protected. For instance:

- Abolish universal postage.

- Remove requirement for daily delivery of mail with certain exceptions e.g. mail sent by NHS / councils / benefit etc.

But the MPs would rather stick their head in the sands than manage the decline of a service that is rapidly becoming irrelevant.
 
Excellent post. In the past the postal workers have done themselves no favours and I hope things have changed.

A mate joined about 20 years ago and the rounds were determined by seniority. All the new people had a proper day's work whilst the older senior guys had cushy rounds which barely lasted a morning. If a manager asked one of them to "do a day's work" they would only comply if they were paid over time. So my mate was paid 8 hours whilst a senior could work 3 hours (paid 8 hour shift) and got 5 hours overtime.

Complete nonsense of course and hopefully that has changed.

Yesterday the owner was grilled in Parliament and pointed out how ridiculous the universal postage stamp was the MPs of course didn't want to know. And that is the real issue.

If Parliament had any sense they would have a proper conversation about the service and what needs to change and what needs to be protected. For instance:

- Abolish universal postage.

- Remove requirement for daily delivery of mail with certain exceptions e.g. mail sent by NHS / councils / benefit etc.

But the MPs would rather stick their head in the sands than manage the decline of a service that is rapidly becoming irrelevant.
The vast majority of post I receive are legal documents and tax counterfoils that are not trusted to be sent on E-mail and sometimes need signing for, the establishments wheels grind very slowly.
 
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The vast majority of post I receive is legal documents and tax counterfoils that are not trusted to be sent on E-mail and sometimes need signing for, the establishments wheels grind very slowly.

There’s been a noticeable rise in VAT fraud over the past year, and part of the issue is how the system now works.

When a business registers for VAT, the confirmation and key details are sent out by post as a VAT certificate and no longer on an online account. Those letters contain everything needed to then set up the online VAT account.

Those envelopes are clearly marked as coming from the VAT registration department. This risk is made worse by the current state of postal delivery. Delays, inconsistent delivery times, and general handling issues ( I regularly get other people's post) increase the window for interception.

It creates a situation where a system designed to improve security has unintentionally introduced an entirely new vulnerability due to the crapness of the Royal Mail.

As Badger rightly said above, the seniority and work ethic within Royal Mail is, at times, appalling. And when you try to resolve it as they can't be bothered to deliver - You’re met with sorting offices that feel like they’re doing you a favour by letting you collect your own post. Rude, dismissive, and entirely detached from the fact that this is a paid service.
 
The vast majority of post I receive is legal documents and tax counterfoils that are not trusted to be sent on E-mail and sometimes need signing for, the establishments wheels grind very slowly.
So if you sign for them that is a recorded delivery service and not the same as general mail.

It's general mail that is the problem and as I previously said they need to identify the key areas such as NHS and focus on them rather than on a utility bill which can wait an extra day.
 
i had my letters this morning dumped on the floor at entrance of the main front door at the block of flats where i live in central brighton , i would dearly like to kick off over it but, i do not know who too ,its a disgrace !!!
 
It was reported yesterday that some delivery drivers were hiding mail in their vehicles, knowing they had no time to deliver it. But it was out of the sorting office, and away from visiting Managers eyesight.
It was obvious this was happening in Wales. Another 'trick' is to post all the mail for one small road through the letterbox of the first house, hoping they'll pass the mail on. Or else dump it back in a post box.
 
Any money in any of it?
no money just my f"""""" driving licence coming back from swansea [76 renewal], and 2 letters about my o,a.p and my parking badge ,i have been trying to find a way of contacting the sorting offiice not as easy as it sounds i am not alone most of my neighbours are not happy about it ,
 
no money just my f"""""" driving licence coming back from swansea [76 renewal], and 2 letters about my o,a.p and my parking badge ,i have been trying to find a way of contacting the sorting offiice not as easy as it sounds i am not alone most of my neighbours are not happy about it ,
Both you and Badger 11 are Brighton domiciled , my post is bad but yours is seriously up the creek!
 
Both you and Badger 11 are Brighton domiciled , my post is bad but yours is seriously up the creek!
? Beckenham is south London.

I have noticed that our post is sporadic I would hazard a guess and suggest my postman is waiting until he had a few letters for our block of flats before he will deliver. I don't have a problem with that as I have said it's only junk mail anyway.
 
? Beckenham is south London.

I have noticed that our post is sporadic I would hazard a guess and suggest my postman is waiting until he had a few letters for our block of flats before he will deliver. I don't have a problem with that as I have said it's only junk mail anyway.
I read your post earlier today and my memory played tricks. my posts seems to be once or twice a week at best.
 
I read your post earlier today and my memory played tricks. my posts seems to be once or twice a week at best.
If only.
 

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