Restore Britain.

[Stirlingsays]

Simon Jordons view on John Terry's post agreeing with Rupert Lowe's post.

I find criticism of John Terry incredibly rich after what we saw with BLM and the whole kneeing episode.

I, like many of us, was massively against that whole idiocy but it happened regardless, managers and football captains made comments supporting it and condemning those that protested it.

Personally I don't want politics in football......but there's some cheek in criticising Terry after what we had to wade through.

 

[eaglesdare]

I find criticism of John Terry incredibly rich after what we saw with BLM and the whole kneeing episode.

I, like many of us, was massively against that whole idiocy but it happened regardless, managers and football captains made comments supporting it and condemning those that protested it.

Personally I don't want politics in football......but there's some cheek in criticising Terry after what we had to wade through.

I agree. And I also think those that preach "inclusivity" and "tolerance" are the first ones to not be inclusive and tolerant of other people's beliefs and opinions when it's not the right kind of opinions.

 

[beak]

I agree. And I also think those that preach "inclusivity" and "tolerance" are the first ones to not be inclusive and tolerant of other people's beliefs and opinions when it's not the right kind of opinions.

How can someone who is against racism include a racial bigot in society? Tolerance means happily existing with other races and creeds but not people who wish to send them to the gas chamber for being born in another country, all freedoms have to be applied with common sense and sanity.

 

[eaglesdare]

How can someone who is against racism include a racial bigot in society? Tolerance means happily existing with other races and creeds but not people who wish to send them to the gas chamber for being born in another country, all freedoms have to be applied with common sense and sanity.

So tolerance means tolerating everyone except those whose opinions you deem intolerable? That's not tolerance that's just demanding agreement and calling it virtue.

 

[Stirlingsays]

How can someone who is against racism include a racial bigot in society? Tolerance means happily existing with other races and creeds but not people who wish to send them to the gas chamber for being born in another country, all freedoms have to be applied with common sense and sanity.

Don't you realise that all these racist bigoted people that you seem to regard as not worthy of inclusion actually included people like you back in the past?

Just how do you think the power dynamic changed?

Does this seem to have completely flown over your head.

The people you call bigots were more inclusive and less bigoted than you.

 

[beak]

So tolerance means tolerating everyone except those whose opinions you deem intolerable? That's not tolerance that's just demanding agreement and calling it virtue.

Nothing to do with me it is the law of the land. Next you will be telling me that foxes are welcome in hen houses it is plain common sense.

 

[georgenorman]

How can someone who is against racism include a racial bigot in society? Tolerance means happily existing with other races and creeds but not people who wish to send them to the gas chamber for being born in another country, all freedoms have to be applied with common sense and sanity.

How's that going? How has it gone in the past?

 

[eaglesdare]

Nothing to do with me it is the law of the land. Next you will be telling me that foxes are welcome in hen houses it is plain common sense.

So "the law of the land" now decides which opinions are tolerable? That's not tolerance or common sense that's just majority rule enforcing conformity and calling it virtue.

 

[ASCPFC]

How can someone who is against racism include a racial bigot in society? Tolerance means happily existing with other races and creeds but not people who wish to send them to the gas chamber for being born in another country, all freedoms have to be applied with common sense and sanity.

Tolerance means putting up with something. There doesn't have to be any happy or freedom part. It just means co existence in this sense, rather than sharing anything. I tolerate Islam for example. But I don't have to like it or agree with it.

 

[beak]

Tolerance means putting up with something. There doesn't have to be any happy or freedom part. It just means co existence in this sense, rather than sharing anything. I tolerate Islam for example. But I don't have to like it or agree with it.

Yes tolerance means accepting something, i'm not expecting you to in the words of Bart Simpson " To kiss my shorts"

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Tolerance means putting up with something. There doesn't have to be any happy or freedom part. It just means co existence in this sense, rather than sharing anything. I tolerate Islam for example. But I don't have to like it or agree with it.

Tolerance means much more than simply putting up with something! That implies reluctance and disagreement whilst tolerance involves much greater positivity. It requires patience and acceptance of other opinions and rights. It implies respect for others.

 

[McAhuna]

I find criticism of John Terry incredibly rich after what we saw with BLM and the whole kneeing episode.

I, like many of us, was massively against that whole idiocy but it happened regardless, managers and football captains made comments supporting it and condemning those that protested it.

Personally I don't want politics in football......but there's some cheek in criticising Terry after what we had to wade through.

Yeah, I agree.

Don't get me wrong, JT is a massive c***.
But his views aren't controversial. They are actually government policy is several European democracies.

 

[McAhuna]

It requires patience and acceptance of other opinions and rights.

Like the views and opinions of Reform voters and fans of Donald Trump?

How's that being going for you by the way?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I find criticism of John Terry incredibly rich after what we saw with BLM and the whole kneeing episode.

I, like many of us, was massively against that whole idiocy but it happened regardless, managers and football captains made comments supporting it and condemning those that protested it.

Personally I don't want politics in football......but there's some cheek in criticising Terry after what we had to wade through.

What do you believe you had to “wade” through?

Players decided to support a protest. One you disagreed with. They didn’t ask you to join them, or criticise you if you didn’t. You didn’t even need to watch them. That was your free choice, as protesting was their’s.

You were free to criticise their actions, as is John Terry in his and Simon Jordan is in disagreeing.

It’s the real meaning of free speech.

 

[Stirlingsays]

What do you believe you had to “wade” through?

Players decided to support a protest. One you disagreed with. They didn’t ask you to join them, or criticise you if you didn’t. You didn’t even need to watch them. That was your free choice, as protesting was their’s.

You were free to criticise their actions, as is John Terry in his and Simon Jordan is in disagreeing.

It’s the real meaning of free speech.

Neither you nor I know how true that is.

Many players, especially white players would have felt considerable pressure and many would have done it just to get through it without drawing attention to themselves.

I don't remember many protesting when it ended.

Footballers are on a golden ticket and very few are willing to endanger that.

Errrr....people weren't 'free' to criticise, I remember what was said about the booing from crowds and if I remember action was taken against identified people.

As for me, like I say, I oppose overt politics in sport......but if it's going to happen then it has to be both ways.

John Terry has deleted his post supporting Lowe.....and we all know why that is.....because football is institutionally corrupted to far left politics.

And the far left are the least inclusive people for opposing opinions out there.

 

[McAhuna]

What do you believe you had to “wade” through?

Players decided to support a protest. One you disagreed with. They didn’t ask you to join them, or criticise you if you didn’t. You didn’t even need to watch them. That was your free choice, as protesting was their’s.

You were free to criticise their actions, as is John Terry in his and Simon Jordan is in disagreeing.

It’s the real meaning of free speech.

The BLM stunt at matches was done in other people's time though, that's the difference.

How would you feel if you went round to collect the rent from one of your slum tenants and they made you listen to them singing the national anthem before they answered the door? I think you'd be a tad miffed.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Tolerance means putting up with something. There doesn't have to be any happy or freedom part. It just means co existence in this sense, rather than sharing anything. I tolerate Islam for example. But I don't have to like it or agree with it.

I guess your are not Jewish or Gay then ? nor trying to date one of their ladies ? nor wandering certain neighbourhoods while drinking a can of beer ? you tolerate it. But does it tolerate you ?

 

[eaglesdare]

I guess your are not Jewish or Gay then ? nor trying to date one of their ladies ? nor wandering certain neighbourhoods while drinking a can of beer ? you tolerate it. But does it tolerate you ?

I once wore my england top going through Dublin once....as you can imagine that went as well as walking through Whitechapel with a bacon and sausage sambo....

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Yes tolerance means accepting something, i'm not expecting you to in the words of Bart Simpson " To kiss my shorts"

what, like accepting FGM ? just cos its somebody else's 'culture' ?

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I once wore my england top going through Dublin once....as you can imagine that went as well as walking through Whitechapel with a bacon and sausage sambo....

sounds like we have both worn a Palace shirt while surrounded by Liverpool/ManUre shirts in Dublin. Ya gotta enjoy your work.