Manchester United vs. Crystal Palace match thread

[PalazioVecchio]

Watch the Arsenal Chelsea game.
Rice had a chelsea player in a double armed hold while Chelsea were attacking, he then elbowed the ball and Chelsea got nothing. Our beloved game really need a massive overhaul. It is being run by big big money that is doing it no favours.

big money has ruined football. Forget about cheating referees. Even just the idea that small Prem clubs are on the same pitch as Man Citeh, Liverpool etc....... its a form of cheating that everybody seems to accept as ok.
For contrast Gaelic football , in ireland, is an amateur affair. The fellas running up and down the pitch on a Saturday ? they are all school teachers, cops, and office workers. Much more fair, much more entertaining than the biased soccer World.

 

[ASCPFC]

What a f***ing con. But not exactly a surprise.

 

[hythemaceagle]

I think referees are just generally incompetent, not biased.
In their defence, it can’t help that they’re expected to keep up with the pace of play from one end of the pitch to the other, thus requiring fitness levels akin to the footballers themselves. Being knackered and out of breath must affect their judgement and decision making. Maybe we should have 2 refs,ie, one for each end of the pitch!?

 

[farrell]

I understand the frustration, but saying the game is “rigged by big money” is a stretch. If you look at the match objectively — even on CafeScore — Arsenal and Chelsea had very similar overall ratings and key stats. One controversial moment doesn’t equal systemic corruption.


Big clubs have more resources, yes, but that doesn’t mean every decision goes their way. Football has always had financial gaps — it’s just more visible now

 

[dynamicdick]

Clearly Cunha was held back outside the box and the referee and VAR seeing that Lacroix had a hand on the attackers shoulder when he tumbled inside the area deemed that a penalty should be awarded. Given this decision was made, it is understandable that a 'Red' was issued.
People of course have different viewpoints.

Call me biased but I would have booked Cunha for simulation and awarded a free kick to us!

 

[fitzy]

But we need to look at the bigger picture, United are up to 3rd and the world is nearly back on its axis.
Its what footballs all about.

 

[taylors lovechild]

Last week Whartons foul for Wolves penalty was far worse than Lacroix's yesterday. Their player was clear on goal, centre of the area, but no red card and Wolves were punished for their player kicking the ball away.
It's all swings and roundabouts with these decisions, but I think we all know, that if Whartons tackle was on a top 6 side, he would of been sent off.

Wharton made a genuine attempt to win the ball, so it wasn't a red because of the double jeopardy rule. It couldn't be argued that pulling a player back is a genuine attempt to win the ball fairly, the question is whether Cunha was pulled back to a degree that it impedes him and if so was it in the area.

 

[doombear]

Last week Whartons foul for Wolves penalty was far worse than Lacroix's yesterday. Their player was clear on goal, centre of the area, but no red card and Wolves were punished for their player kicking the ball away.
It's all swings and roundabouts with these decisions, but I think we all know, that if Whartons tackle was on a top 6 side, he would of been sent off.

The difference is one of whether or not the player made a genuine attempt to play the ball, hence why Wharton only got a yellow. Lacroix made no attempt to play the ball so if the ref deemed it a penalty (and he shouldn't have) then a red card as well as the penalty apply.

Had the ref decided to give a free kick outside the box instead of a penalty, technically, I believe he could still have sent Lacroix off for DOGSO as he made no attempt to play the ball.

 

[doombear]

Wharton made a genuine attempt to win the ball, so it wasn't a red because of the double jeopardy rule. It couldn't be argued that pulling a player back is a genuine attempt to win the ball fairly, the question is whether Cunha was pulled back to a degree that it impedes him and if so was it in the area.

You just beat me re Wharton and Yellow

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

Clearly Cunha was held back outside the box and the referee and VAR seeing that Lacroix had a hand on the attackers shoulder when he tumbled inside the area deemed that a penalty should be awarded. Given this decision was made, it is understandable that a 'Red' was issued.
People of course have different viewpoints.

Even Glasner said it was a foul and probably a red card, but he also said the foul was outside the box, which he called "The old Trafford bonus" IMO that is the correct summing up

 

[doombear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1ri2hi1/harry_maguire_gets_injured_heading_the_ball

It's time to issue retrospective yellows after the match for cheating and if the offender already has a yellow from the game then it becomes a red. This way the authorities can pick up all the dives that were missed together with the fake injuries etc. There could also be a points system for repeat offenders which could lead to red cards and increasing match bans.

 

[park the bus]

It's time to issue retrospective yellows after the match for cheating and if the offender already has a yellow from the game then it becomes a red. This way the authorities can pick up all the dives that were missed together with the fake injuries etc. There could also be a points system for repeat offenders which could lead to red cards and increasing match bans.

Something like this would be a start. Cheating is so ingrained in some players and promoted by their managers that they almost seem oblivious to the fact that multiple cameras are present and their cheating is caught for posterity.

 

[Lanzo-Ad]

At the risk of upsetting all the Glasner lovers, i do not think a decent manager would have made the subs he did after the red card, i know he wont change, but the correct change should have been switch to 4-4-1, with Larsen up top, and Sarr and Johnson going wide, and Muñoz, Richards, Canvot and Mitchell as a back four, the subs that he did was like flying the white flag.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

It's time to issue retrospective yellows after the match for cheating and if the offender already has a yellow from the game then it becomes a red. This way the authorities can pick up all the dives that were missed together with the fake injuries etc. There could also be a points system for repeat offenders which could lead to red cards and increasing match bans.

It'd be nice if that happened but with VAR's forensic investigation, and hours to spend on it, there would be about a dozen players a game getting post dated cards.
Now relegation from the PL is estimated to cost clubs £100 m and club owners are coming in from abroad with the sole intention of making money can it be long before there's some sort of legal challenge if there is a clearly demonstrable error made by the officials?

 

[beak]

Clearly Cunha was held back outside the box and the referee and VAR seeing that Lacroix had a hand on the attackers shoulder when he tumbled inside the area deemed that a penalty should be awarded. Given this decision was made, it is understandable that a 'Red' was issued.
People of course have different viewpoints.

Yes they do ninety nine % think no red and Willo thinks yes a red the usual percentages.

 

[OneStevePerrin]

I think referees are just generally incompetent, not biased.
In their defence, it can’t help that they’re expected to keep up with the pace of play from one end of the pitch to the other, thus requiring fitness levels akin to the footballers themselves. Being knackered and out of breath must affect their judgement and decision making. Maybe we should have 2 refs,ie, one for each end of the pitch!?

Yes, the game these days are much faster than back in the day. However, there is so much technology and more officials so that correct decisions can be made. It failed again yesterday and that includes within the Arsenal/Chelsea match. Perhaps harder with so many players in the box for corners but my goodness they have VAR and still they don’t see it. Ours was easier to make a correct decision and they didn’t. It needs sorting and now. As does the obvious cheat by Maguire. Trying not to be biased towards us but that’s how I saw it. I was once a grass roots ref, so I know how difficult it is to see everything ?

 

[gloryhunter]

Call me biased but I would have booked Cunha for simulation and awarded a free kick to us!

From the last replay I saw it looked like all contact between the two players had stopped and there was daylight between them. Cunha simply dropped to the ground before the gap became too obvious. VAR replays would have shown clear enough that there was no reason for Cunha to go down. Cheating barstewards (Cunha and VAR).

 

[dreamwaverider]

Could it be that they are waiting to see if Arsenal draw sufficiently clear in the title race this season so that the powers can deduct 60 odd points from City in one season, so that, they only suffer minimally, they lose one title challenge, don't get relegated, don't have any transfer embargo & start the following season with a clean slate ?

Of course the wording of any verdict / penalty will have to be well thought out so as not to be too damning of the city management board because if the main man walks away (disillusioned with the outcome or hounded out of office by an outcome that considers badly managed responsibility) City will be looking for new owners again.

....and fine them £200 million.
That would immediately get FIFA and UEFA support.
And Saudi would lose one drop from their ocean.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Yes, the game these days are much faster than back in the day. However, there is so much technology and more officials so that correct decisions can be made. It failed again yesterday and that includes within the Arsenal/Chelsea match. Perhaps harder with so many players in the box for corners but my goodness they have VAR and still they don’t see it. Ours was easier to make a correct decision and they didn’t. It needs sorting and now. As does the obvious cheat by Maguire. Trying not to be biased towards us but that’s how I saw it. I was once a grass roots ref, so I know how difficult it is to see everything ?

Sturridge picked this up yesterday. He basically said Arsenal are the best at playing the (cheating) game.
In his day they were taught play the ball not the man, now it is in reverse. Arsenal have worked out the ref cant possibly watch five players all fouling at the same time on corners. So all their players foul in defence or attack. Holding, shirt pulling, levering themselves up, pushing etc etc. It works they get away with it. It's why they top the league.
Bottom line is, cheating pays so do it. It's ruining the game.....especially when Mguier does it so badly AND gets away with it. Larsen was booked for that!!!

 

[Eaglehamster]

Yes, the game these days are much faster than back in the day. However, there is so much technology and more officials so that correct decisions can be made. It failed again yesterday and that includes within the Arsenal/Chelsea match. Perhaps harder with so many players in the box for corners but my goodness they have VAR and still they don’t see it. Ours was easier to make a correct decision and they didn’t. It needs sorting and now. As does the obvious cheat by Maguire. Trying not to be biased towards us but that’s how I saw it. I was once a grass roots ref, so I know how difficult it is to see everything ?

With tippy-tappy it's not!