Gorton & Denton By-election

[McAhuna]

Or, on the other hand, the kind of observation that informs people on a much deeper level than people realise? In the same way that I have nothing other than utter contempt for people who fail to thank waiters or similar?

But changing the subject here, and a question primarily for the Lefties on here, I think it's clear Labour are going to lose this seat. Who do you think they prefer to lose to? Reform or the Greens? Because both will clearly be eating into their supporter base. Which one, potentially, offers the biggest long term danger to them as a political party?

From the Green Party manifesto

Elected Greens will push for a local-authority-led, street-by-street retrofit programme to insulate our homes, provide clean heat and start to adapt our buildings to more extreme climate conditions.

How can they be trusted to deliver that if they can't be arsed to close a door in the middle of Winter?

You could forgive Reform leaving a door open (unless it was the door to the Channel Tunnel), because they never pretended to care about such things in the first place.

 

[beak]

Waffle. You can do better than that.

Very strong on fact.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Utterly confused by that. Reform literally attempted to get Lowe jailed. Called the police in on one of their own. And nothing came of it. Why? Why on earth would they want to smear a man who was gaining significant traction with the voting public?

There will be no deal. Of that I am very, very certain. In fact, until you mentioned it, had never even featured on my 'what if' radar. Would be less surprised if Lowe did a deal with Corbyn than Farage.

However, lets go with your assumption that there is a deal. Then that does not get me supporting what comes after. It would merely confirms my gut instinct that we are not going to vote our way out of it.

I just thought someone who likes a good conspiracy would at least consider the possibility that an even further to the right party would make Reform look more moderate.

 

[Matov]

I just thought someone who likes a good conspiracy would at least consider the possibility that an even further to the right party would make Reform look more moderate.

You certainly made me think, I will give you that. But I just don't see that one, no matter how far you strech it. Reform literally called the cops in on Lowe. Made all kind of beyond-henious accusations. And all against one of their MP's who was generating real support for me them.

Nah. My most conspiratorial take on Reform, and Farage most of all, is that they function as controlled opposition. Who were getting just a little too successful. Hence doing what they did to Lowe before bringing in some of the most despicable ex-Tories ever. People instrumental in f***ing this country up more than any other previous government in history, all by way of destroying Reforms credibility.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You certainly made me think, I will give you that. But I just don't see that one, no matter how far you strech it. Reform literally called the cops in on Lowe. Made all kind of beyond-henious accusations. And all against one of their MP's who was generating real support for me them.

Nah. My most conspiratorial take on Reform, and Farage most of all, is that they function as controlled opposition. Who were getting just a little too successful. Hence doing what they did to Lowe before bringing in some of the most despicable ex-Tories ever. People instrumental in f***ing this country up more than any other previous government in history, all by way of destroying Reforms credibility.

Putting all that aside, surely a Reform government must be a better option than the alternatives, given that Restore don't have a cat in hells chance.

 

[Matov]

Putting all that aside, surely a Reform government must be a better option than the alternatives, given that Restore don't have a cat in hells chance.

Reform are the worst choice because they would change nothing meaningful and would have got there on the backs of promises they would break. Much the same as the Tories they are now bringing into their midst.

This is my point. I get why people buy the hype around Reform. I, once upon a time, thought Farage was the best thing in politics since sliced bread. But, and it was not an easy learning curve, it has become apparent now for far too long that he is just controlled opposition. With what they did to Lowe, followed by bringing in the likes of Jennick and so on, the absolute proof in the pudding.

Farage and Reform are playing millions of people for fools. Much like the Tories did before them. Come over to the Restore side. Its the only viable option if we are going to have any kind of retaining anything that even seems like a viable 'Britain'. And even that is not guaranteed. But better to go down fighting a genuine fight than be sold down the river by the likes of Farage and the inevitable merging of Reform and the Tories.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Apologies to Wisbech because he won't really understand the graph on the left because apparently those people don't exist....even though he is one.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

Farage and Reform are playing millions of people for fools. Much like the Tories did before them.

correct. And Restore will not achieve any number of votes.

its another stitch up.

 

[HKOwen]

Hannah the Plumber lives in Hale with her greyhounds , the expensive bit and is not a plumber , she installs heat pumps apparently. She is the landlord that Greens are supposed to hate, I Head an intwrsting theory that Islamists are a fifth coliumn in the Greens and will eventually take it over and have a party machine.

Things muslims really don't like include gobby women, dogs, Jews and homosexuals.

They would have to really get dispensation from their prophet and God to vote for the Greens in this election.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Reform are the worst choice because they would change nothing meaningful and would have got there on the backs of promises they would break. Much the same as the Tories they are now bringing into their midst.

This is my point. I get why people buy the hype around Reform. I, once upon a time, thought Farage was the best thing in politics since sliced bread. But, and it was not an easy learning curve, it has become apparent now for far too long that he is just controlled opposition. With what they did to Lowe, followed by bringing in the likes of Jennick and so on, the absolute proof in the pudding.

Farage and Reform are playing millions of people for fools. Much like the Tories did before them. Come over to the Restore side. Its the only viable option if we are going to have any kind of retaining anything that even seems like a viable 'Britain'. And even that is not guaranteed. But better to go down fighting a genuine fight than be sold down the river by the likes of Farage and the inevitable merging of Reform and the Tories.

The alternatives are Labour and pervasive Islamism, so I don't go along with your thinking at all.

Politics is about the least worst option. How bad could Reform be compared to the alternatives?

Rupert Lowe is not the saint you paint him to be. He talks a good fight, but he has zero chance of winning an election and therefore has no chance of affecting the future of this country.