Glasner Out

Steve Parish acts in the interests of CPFC. He is not motivated by using the club as a vehicle for retribution against any individual as alluded to in the comments above.
This is not a dig at SP. He has done so much for us and fully deserves his credit. Some others have muted he is not going to give in to OG and keep him in place to basically screw him up. Possibly in the hope OG jacks it in.
 
If we don’t rip the ar*e out of Mostar on Thursday Glasner surely has to go .
I can’t stomach watching Palace huff n Puff every match but never blow the opposition down any longer .
It’s becoming Chinese torture , Can’t we have a go fund me Glasner pay-off site set-up by the club ..
 
Instead of making excuses for the fellow, just see it as it is - sometimes things are real simple.

3 months of very poor performances and results. The bad run started around about the same time as Glasner told Parish he wasn't going to renew. Yeah, right, ok. Pure coincidence.

Publicly criticizing all and sundry, taking no responsibility for nature of results.

More than enough to have seen many a manager relieved of his duties.
The rift is tectonic, it can't be closed. This is what happens when two narcissists fall out, it gets ugly.
 
In some ways it's reminiscent of Hodgson calling the fans 'spoilt' and suggesting they should know where they come from, although he subsequently apologised for his comments.
I can't think of many managers who take responsibility, even if they claim to, as in the same breath they are blaming all and sundry.

The current situation also reminds me of the decline under Pardew when Parish failed to act.
Apparently the American owners at the time wanted Pardew gone earlier, but Parish gave him stay of execution.
The Americans are generally less tolerant of poor performance.
Penny for their thoughts at present.
Pardew’s situation was a unique one. After having a successful spell, the hierarchy at the club instructed him to change the style of play.

He accepted their instruction and began to implement it, and that is precisely when results dropped off. He then got the sack.

I believe he should have been given time to either make that change work, or been allowed to undo that change and go back to his preferred style which had worked for him and us.
 
Pardew’s situation was a unique one. After having a successful spell, the hierarchy at the club instructed him to change the style of play.

He accepted their instruction and began to implement it, and that is precisely when results dropped off. He then got the sack.

I believe he should have been given time to either make that change work, or been allowed to undo that change and go back to his preferred style which had worked for him and us.
We won only one or two games after Christmas in 2016 (remember the puncheon v Norwich goal in a must win game) but he was given time because we got to the fa cup final. We then started the next season ok(ish) before really bad form again and he was rightly sacked.

The only palace manager I remember being told to change our style of play was Freedman at beginning of our promotion season.
 
So if SP had got rid of OG earlier , there would have been a significant percentage of fans who would have blamed SP for OG leaving .

We have now got to really see who OG actually is .

OG attacked the board and they acted with restraint

He’s now attacked the fans ….

Not sure we’ll see much restraint on Sunday .

Will be interesting to see if the team do really well 🤞🤞🤞🤞how will the fans express themselves ?

If it’s a poor performance against the bottom team …. It will be “ interesting “ ….
 
So if SP had got rid of OG earlier , there would have been a significant percentage of fan who would have blamed him for OG leaving .

We have now got to really see who OG actually is .

OG attacked the board and they acted with restrained.

He’s now attacked the fans ….

Not sure we’ll see much restraint on Sunday .

Will be interesting to see if the team do really well 🤞🤞🤞🤞how will the fans express themselves ?

If it’s a poor performance against the bottom team …. It will be “ interesting “ ….
It will be a poor performance.
 
We won only one or two games after Christmas in 2016 (remember the puncheon v Norwich goal in a must win game) but he was given time because we got to the fa cup final. We then started the next season ok(ish) before really bad form again and he was rightly sacked.

The only palace manager I remember being told to change our style of play was Freedman at beginning of our promotion season.
Pardew spoke about it both when we was at the club, and after he left. He stated plainly that it came direct from Steve, and that he was happy to go along with it as he’d not been wedded to only one style in the past at other clubs.

After he left there was an interview where he said much the same as me, that he feels he should’ve been allowed time to make that change work. I felt that was a reasonable expectation on his part.
 
So if SP had got rid of OG earlier , there would have been a significant percentage of fans who would have blamed SP for OG leaving .

We have now got to really see who OG actually is .

OG attacked the board and they acted with restraint

He’s now attacked the fans ….

Not sure we’ll see much restraint on Sunday .

Will be interesting to see if the team do really well 🤞🤞🤞🤞how will the fans express themselves ?

If it’s a poor performance against the bottom team …. It will be “ interesting “ ….
The first time i scanned this quickly and accidentally read if SP got rid of Glasner it would be an OG.
 
Pardew’s situation was a unique one. After having a successful spell, the hierarchy at the club instructed him to change the style of play.

He accepted their instruction and began to implement it, and that is precisely when results dropped off. He then got the sack.

I believe he should have been given time to either make that change work, or been allowed to undo that change and go back to his preferred style which had worked for him and us.
Without wishing to be argumentative this isn't how I recall it at all.
It was Pardew who wished to use his term 'put the ball at risk' and go for games.
He was instrumental in the purchase of Cabaye and the conversion of Puncheon to a midfield player.
It was Pardew who convinced the board to buy Benteke reasoning that his 15 'guaranteed ' goals a season would ensure survival.
All this in the public domain.
At the same time it is true that Parish opined that continually playing 'survival' football would eventually catch up with you and lead to relegation so he did advocate a more progressive style.

Pardew couldn't turn it around when things went wrong and at the moment Glasner shows similar signs.
 
Without wishing to be argumentative this isn't how I recall it at all.
It was Pardew who wished to use his term 'put the ball at risk' and go for games.
He was instrumental in the purchase of Cabaye and the conversion of Puncheon to a midfield player.
It was Pardew who convinced the board to buy Benteke reasoning that his 15 'guaranteed ' goals a season would ensure survival.
All this in the public domain.
At the same time it is true that Parish opined that continually playing 'survival' football would eventually catch up with you and lead to relegation so he did advocate a more progressive style.

Pardew couldn't turn it around when things went wrong and at the moment Glasner shows similar signs.
And for both Pardew and Glasner it is a pattern through their careers
 
Without wishing to be argumentative this isn't how I recall it at all.
It was Pardew who wished to use his term 'put the ball at risk' and go for games.
He was instrumental in the purchase of Cabaye and the conversion of Puncheon to a midfield player.
It was Pardew who convinced the board to buy Benteke reasoning that his 15 'guaranteed ' goals a season would ensure survival.
All this in the public domain.
At the same time it is true that Parish opined that continually playing 'survival' football would eventually catch up with you and lead to relegation so he did advocate a more progressive style.

Pardew couldn't turn it around when things went wrong and at the moment Glasner shows similar signs.
In Pardew's last 10 games in charge we were defeated in 8 of them.
 
Maybe he's just found a new love for Take That?

In all seriousness though, he needs to piss off, Parish should've sacked him off after the Sunderland outburst, as many fans knew.

Tomorrow is going to be very toxic indeed, maybe it's what Parish wants, to show the narcissist he ain't loved no more?
Tend to agree, I very much doubt Parish reads these forums and the atmosphere at Selhurst hasn’t as yet turned toxic towards Glasner. Parish won’t want to be seen as it being his decision to get rid of our most successful manager, however, a toxic atmosphere towards Glasner and he will be gone! If there is no effort/ we are losing - then Glasner will no doubt realise himself he has lost the crowd! Might need to the loudest rendition of “you’re getting sacked in the morning”
I think Glasner will be getting his coat on Sunday night!
 
Without wishing to be argumentative this isn't how I recall it at all.
It was Pardew who wished to use his term 'put the ball at risk' and go for games.
He was instrumental in the purchase of Cabaye and the conversion of Puncheon to a midfield player.
It was Pardew who convinced the board to buy Benteke reasoning that his 15 'guaranteed ' goals a season would ensure survival.
All this in the public domain.
At the same time it is true that Parish opined that continually playing 'survival' football would eventually catch up with you and lead to relegation so he did advocate a more progressive style.

Pardew couldn't turn it around when things went wrong and at the moment Glasner shows similar signs.
Pushing to spend big money on a big man up top doesn’t necessarily suggest a desire to move to a more progressive style, and of course if he gets those instructions from above he would in kind push for players within that framework that he wants/needs to carry it out. I don’t deny that he had the resources on his hands.

You kind of covered all bases with that comment, you go on to acknowledge Parish had been saying those same things publicly, that Pardew stated Parish had told him in the boardroom, but brush off it’s impact.

But it’s impact can’t be overstated. Any wholesale change like that, in the circumstances we were in, takes time and usually results in a dip before the payoff. Especially given that it wasn’t his own decision, surely he should have then been given some bandwidth to actually implement it in its entirety.
 
I think you make some very valid points.

The only evidence we have in how the manager is performing in his role is by what we see on the pitch and the results that go with that.

And of course that is where everything is falling down at present. And then the situation becomes no different to that of Frank at Spurs and Dyche at Forest. Neither of those guys became embroiled in public rants against their employees. But their tactics and results led them to being sacked, with the owners of those clubs deciding that things were unlikely to improve with them still at the helm. Glasner of course does have some ' collateral ' after our two trophy wins. But his conduct has become increasingly unacceptable. And while you are right, we don't know how he behaves '' at work '' , his behaviour with a microphone in front of him is there for us all to see and hear.

I've said on here many times that I supported the decision to let him see his contract out. I've also said that I don't hold him solely responsible for our current plight. But we all know how these things usually play out and that's with the manager being sacked - and that's without Glasners outbursts. Cue the players saying '' we have to take responsibility, we have to take a good look at ourselves '' etc etc.

So why hasn't Glasner been sacked by now ? On the face of it the justification for keeping him in the job has decreased in the last two weeks. I would think that if we fail to beat Wolves tomorrow then his situation becomes untenable. But I can only assume that Parish is either unable to get his man at the moment and is gambling on playing the waiting game, or an obvious, available contender such as Thomas Frank doesn't feel ready to take on the challenge or is reluctant to take over in the present circumstances.

And as you point out, there is no such thing as a guaranteed new manager bounce.
It's interesting to look at other clubs who changed their manager. Forest (or the owner, at least) seemed to grow bored and frustrated with Nuno's ultra conservative approach, coming to see it as an impediment to reaching the big time rather than the reason it was in sight at all. They then went to Postecoglou, who has the total opposite approach. Results didn't improve. Then back to defensive pragmatism with Dyche. Results didn't improve. All these changes, including very different tactical beliefs, and its all made no difference. All it has done is undermine stability, and surely made the forest job a far less attractive one to top coaches than it could have been.

The same could be said of spurs. They flip flop from one style of management to the polar opposite only to find that, when on a losing run, a Thomas Frank team has a very different way of looking awful to a Postecoglou one. It might be that the lesson is just how little difference the guy in the dugout makes if you don't have at least a couple of top players playing brilliantly most weeks, especially in attack.

Of course, new manager bounce can happen, although sometimes I wonder if it's more a case of old manager rebound. United look a different proposition entirely now, but I wonder if that's more to do with Amorin going than Carrick arriving. A similar thing happened when Mourinho went.

Didn't really happen for West Ham, Forest, or Wolves this season when they made a change, though. I wonder if that's on Parish's mind. Leeds stuck with their guy and seem to have benefited, if only from not rolling the dice whilst others around them have. It would be interesting to see if Burnley feel the same. Parker got them up once, perhaps they are already looking to him to do it again next year and that's why he is still in post. The current Bayern Munich manager, who has them flying, couldn't keep Burnley up, so why should Parker not doing so be seen as an unacceptable failure? Clubs used to accept these things and stick with managers. Perhaps that's becoming less unusual, especially when the evidence that changing the manager makes a lasting positive difference is so flimsy.

Parish has sacked managers before, though he tends to do it only when he feels he has someone he can trust, lined up to step in. I felt Glasner was arguably guilty of gross misconduct after the Sunderland game, and perhaps risked getting sacked without a pay off. That Parish didn't go that route suggests he didn't think it in the long term interests of the club. Perhaps that's to do with recognising the benefits of stability, the risks of change, and resisting the temptation towards knee jerk, social media mob impatience.

One thing for sure, Glasner not getting sacked is now as much of a story as other guys getting sacked! What a reflection that is on the wider state of affairs.
 

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