Glasner Out

[CPFCSaturn]

I’m not sure where you’re coming from with this?

I always assume there is some acknowledgment of the context for any commentary and therefore consideration for the future of our club, including who is managing the team.

When he first started and in the one-off instances that certainly weren’t ’good performances’, I was forgiving of Glasner despite the immediate emotions involved.

Again, three poor teams such as Larnaca, Macclesfield and Burnley, where we were 2-0 up, let alone the ridiculously bad run we have been on are the context now. It’s not last night as a stand alone. Even BHA looked appalling the other day, let’s not kid ourselves that was evidence of the manger turning things around.

The role of the manager at our club is not to produce results dependent upon all mitigating circumstances being perfect. The same as game management. There has to be adaptability and a resilience to deal with the inevitable and unavoidable environment of football.

Glasner has repeatedly demonstrated he is incapable of dealing with such things. He has no answers. This is further evidenced by his determination to pin the blame on the circumstances and adopt no responsibility himself

It is therefore a black and white choice between praying everything lines up perfectly for him to deliver or us continually looking appalling and not producing performances as soon as the wind changes even slightly.

I therefore suggest we cannot continue in this state. The obvious caveat is to ask if last night, and the last two months, were so inevitable that no other manager could do anything better. I’d equally suggest, the obvious answer is ‘no’. Many could do better and if we don’t identify and employ somebody soon, this may well continue.

You were suggesting the only explanations for our defensive lapses is Glasner or various satirical suggestions - I don’t think that’s true.

I also don’t think the black and white point is true - I think it’s reasonable to aim criticism at Glasner for inflexibility and rigidity, but I don’t think he needs perfection.

My point about last night is that I think we were pretty unlucky all things considered - I think we win that games 9 times out of 10.

3 goals in 5 mins from 0.4 xG is mental - the sort of thing that happens far less than once a season. You then factor in the handball decision, the nature of the own goal, and our own missed chances, and I find it hard to conclude that we were just terrible. I think that’s an emotional take, which as I’ve said is obviously understandable.

As I said above, I think the game management criticism is fair and that was my main frustration from yesterday - we got desperate, threw on attackers and lost any sort of shape or structure. It was amateur.

But I think we got punished to the extreme in a 5 minute window - if that 5 minutes doesn’t happen, then that second half doesn’t happen.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Awww did i hurt your feelings precious little flower 🌸 . Just for the record . The only players i have mentioned were Kamada who is leaving and Mateta who handed in a transfer request and as far as i am concerned they can both do one along with yourself .

Not at all, I just think it’s pathetic and embarrassing. A bit like liking your own posts.

You ‘mentioned’ Kamada by calling him a ‘Japanese c***’…

 

[Brighton8r]

Interesting comment from someone who only joined last month

You should look again my dear man i joined 31 jan 2025 , now i dont know where you and your abacus went wrong but you should check again , maybe Saturn can help you if you run out of fingers . 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

Not at all, I just think it’s pathetic and embarrassing. A bit like liking your own posts.

You ‘mentioned’ Kamada by calling him a ‘Japanese c***’…

And

 

[Nicholas91]

You were suggesting the only explanations for our defensive lapses is Glasner or various satirical suggestions - I don’t think that’s true.

I also don’t think the black and white point is true - I think it’s reasonable to aim criticism at Glasner for inflexibility and rigidity, but I don’t think he needs perfection.

My point about last night is that I think we were pretty unlucky all things considered - I think we win that games 9 times out of 10.

3 goals in 5 mins from 0.4 xG is mental - the sort of thing that happens far less than once a season. You then factor in the handball decision, the nature of the own goal, and our own missed chances, and I find it hard to conclude that we were just terrible. I think that’s an emotional take, which as I’ve said is obviously understandable.

As I said above, I think the game management criticism is fair and that was my main frustration from yesterday - we got desperate, threw on attackers and lost any sort of shape or structure. It was amateur.

But I think we got punished to the extreme in a 5 minute window - if that 5 minutes doesn’t happen, then that second half doesn’t happen.

3 goals in 5 minutes is insane, when you’re 2-0 up at home to second bottom in the table. Put that into the context of where we find ourselves and opposed to some freak anomaly, it speaks to a far deeper problem - the manager.

Even so, it is acceptable to acknowledge such freak circumstances can occur in football. However yet again, we’ve seen this before, the manager had no answers despite an entire second half to try and implement a solution. Did we even have an effort on target? In his desperation and lack of any solutions whatsoever, he threw on all attackers without any identifiable instruction and identified external blame (the team for lack of leadership) in the post mortem.

Therefore I am not analysing this game as a ‘one off’, ‘freak’, ‘less than once a season’ circumstance out of emotion. Losing to Larnaca or Macclesfield might be described as such however both happened as well as this. I am viewing it through a big picture lens and simply of being symptomatic of the bigger problem - the manager. It is reasonable to hold him responsible for our poor performances, including last night and the other embarrassing or ’freak’ results, and identify him as the problem.

Saying ‘if that 5 minutes didn’t happen’ is a ridiculous statement to make. It did happen and there is a reason it happened. The same way there were reasons the other ‘freak’ results happened. The manager is to blame. Larnaca was the ‘fool me once’. We’re now beyond the third without even factoring in the loss of his ability to win us PL games.

 

[eaglesdare]

Swansea City 5-4 Crystal Palace

Fernando Llorente scores twice in stoppage time as Swansea defeat Crystal Palace in a remarkable nine-goal encounter.

www.bbc.com

We are heading to games like this again if we can't start defending.

 

[park the bus]

3 goals in 5 minutes is insane, when you’re 2-0 up at home to second bottom in the table. Put that into the context of where we find ourselves and opposed to some freak anomaly, it speaks to a far deeper problem - the manager.

Even so, it is acceptable to acknowledge such freak circumstances can occur in football. However yet again, we’ve seen this before, the manager had no answers despite an entire second half to try and implement a solution. Did we even have an effort on target? In his desperation and lack of any solutions whatsoever, he threw on all attackers without any identifiable instruction and identified external blame (the team for lack of leadership) in the post mortem.

Therefore I am not analysing this game as a ‘one off’, ‘freak’, ‘less than once a season’ circumstance out of emotion. Losing to Larnaca or Macclesfield might be described as such however both happened as well as this. I am viewing it through a big picture lens and simply of being symptomatic of the bigger problem - the manager. It is reasonable to hold him responsible for our poor performances, including last night and the other embarrassing or ’freak’ results, and identify him as the problem.

Saying ‘if that 5 minutes didn’t happen’ is a ridiculous statement to make. It did happen and there is a reason it happened. The same way there were reasons the other ‘freak’ results happened. The manager is to blame. Larnaca was the ‘fool me once’. We’re now beyond the third without even factoring in the loss of his ability to win us PL games.

Totally agree. I laugh at those posts that say something along the lines of: "If only they didn't score when they did and if only we hadn't missed when we did blah blah blah". Cold facts: they did score and we did f*** all to get back into it. Glasner did try his substitution party trick, put them all on and hope something happens, and if it does take credit for the tactical masterstroke. If not just blame the players.
Boom-tish!

 

[CPFCSaturn]

3 goals in 5 minutes is insane, when you’re 2-0 up at home to second bottom in the table. Put that into the context of where we find ourselves and opposed to some freak anomaly, it speaks to a far deeper problem - the manager.

Even so, it is acceptable to acknowledge such freak circumstances can occur in football. However yet again, we’ve seen this before, the manager had no answers despite an entire second half to try and implement a solution. Did we even have an effort on target? In his desperation and lack of any solutions whatsoever, he threw on all attackers without any identifiable instruction and identified external blame (the team for lack of leadership) in the post mortem.

Therefore I am not analysing this game as a ‘one off’, ‘freak’, ‘less than once a season’ circumstance out of emotion. Losing to Larnaca or Macclesfield might be described as such however both happened as well as this. I am viewing it through a big picture lens and simply of being symptomatic of the bigger problem - the manager. It is reasonable to hold him responsible for our poor performances, including last night and the other embarrassing or ’freak’ results, and identify him as the problem.

Saying ‘if that 5 minutes didn’t happen’ is a ridiculous statement to make. It did happen and there is a reason it happened. The same way there were reasons the other ‘freak’ results happened. The manager is to blame. Larnaca was the ‘fool me once’. We’re now beyond the third without even factoring in the loss of his ability to win us PL games.

I’m very aware freak occurrences occur in football - it’s a game hugely swung on luck - but my point is around how you assess results in light of that reality.

If you accept those 5 minutes were ‘freakish’, then it’s absolutely reasonable to include that in your assessment of the game, hence to consider the impact ‘if they didn’t happen’, given we agree it’s so unlikely to happen again.

I think your point re big picture lens is very fair, and certainly Glasner has issues in breaking down low blocks - I don’t disagree at all.

What I don’t know is whether I think we need to rush to sack him as a result of that, particularly in the context of us needing a long term replacement and the impact trying to recruit a manager mid-season has on those plans.

The side of the argument I am becoming more convinced by is the more cultural/motivational issues that are obviously associated with a manager who has announced they’re leaving their post.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Totally agree. I laugh at those posts that say something along the lines of: "If only they didn't score when they did and if only we hadn't missed when we did blah blah blah". Cold facts: they did score and we did f*** all to get back into it. Glasner did try his substitution party trick, put them all on and hope something happens, and if it does take credit for the tactical masterstroke. If not just blame the players.
Boom-tish!

I just don’t think analysing or discussing games exclusively on the basis of outcomes tells you very much.

I appreciate others do, but that’s my view.

 

[park the bus]

I just don’t think analysing or discussing games exclusively on the basis of outcomes tells you very much.

I appreciate others do, but that’s my view.

There has to be some sort of criteria for analysing games, viewing outcomes over a certain time span is as good a method as any. A simple example is to look at the amount of goals conceded from set-plays, virtually every game now, and so the professional analyst would sensibly conclude that a weakness in that area affects the outcome, therefore the outcome drives the discussion.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

There has to be some sort of criteria for analysing games, viewing outcomes over a certain time span is as good a method as any. A simple example is to look at the amount of goals conceded from set-plays, virtually every game now, and so the professional analyst would sensibly conclude that a weakness in that area affects the outcome, therefore the outcome drives the discussion.

Definitely - I’m not at all suggesting that outcomes aren’t a massive factor, but I do think you have to give them context.

I’d agree with the assessment that games like yesterday, Macclesfield and Larnaca prove we have major issues against low blocks and a lack of character when we get stunned by something, for example. It’s happened too often to be a fluke.

But the question I still have is whether removing Glasner solves those issues sufficiently to justify the massive impact it would have on what manager we can recruit, and whether it actually give us any better chance of success this season.

We’ve seen Glasner win trophies - as unlikely as it looks now, the only hope this season is winning the Conference League, and I don’t think I’m convinced that we can land someone now who gives us a better chance of doing that.

But that conviction is certainly wobbling!

 

[cryrst]

Definitely - I’m not at all suggesting that outcomes aren’t a massive factor, but I do think you have to give them context.

I’d agree with the assessment that games like yesterday, Macclesfield and Larnaca prove we have major issues against low blocks and a lack of character when we get stunned by something, for example. It’s happened too often to be a fluke.

But the question I still have is whether removing Glasner solves those issues sufficiently to justify the massive impact it would have on what manager we can recruit, and whether it actually give us any better chance of success this season.

We’ve seen Glasner win trophies - as unlikely as it looks now, the only hope this season is winning the Conference League, and I don’t think I’m convinced that we can land someone now who gives us a better chance of doing that.

But that conviction is certainly wobbling!

The context appears that lanzo has been right all along. OG is a one trick pony with no answers if his trick don’t work.

 

[Nicholas91]

I’m very aware freak occurrences occur in football - it’s a game hugely swung on luck - but my point is around how you assess results in light of that reality.

If you accept those 5 minutes were ‘freakish’, then it’s absolutely reasonable to include that in your assessment of the game, hence to consider the impact ‘if they didn’t happen’, given we agree it’s so unlikely to happen again.

I think your point re big picture lens is very fair, and certainly Glasner has issues in breaking down low blocks - I don’t disagree at all.

What I don’t know is whether I think we need to rush to sack him as a result of that, particularly in the context of us needing a long term replacement and the impact trying to recruit a manager mid-season has on those plans.

The side of the argument I am becoming more convinced by is the more cultural/motivational issues that are obviously associated with a manager who has announced they’re leaving their post.

I am aware of these cultural/motivational issues too and factoring that into my thinking.

I don’t think you’re under any obligation to be inclined to sack him hastily (in a rush). That may or does just come down to personal temperament, inclinations etc.

I’m done now and do not see anything changing. That does not mean I am correct or tha others have to hold the same opinions as me, that’s just my stance.

I’ve actually become quite resentful of Glasner beyond the football and dislike him now, I think he’s a proverbial rotten apple. I try to separate this from my memories of last season, including his role as manager in our success..

 

[Jacey]

I am aware of these cultural/motivational issues too and factoring that into my thinking.

I don’t think you’re under any obligation to be inclined to sack him hastily (in a rush). That may or does just come down to personal temperament, inclinations etc.

I’m done now and do not see anything changing. That does not mean I am correct or tha others have to hold the same opinions as me, that’s just my stance.

I’ve actually become quite resentful of Glasner beyond the football and dislike him now, I think he’s a proverbial rotten apple. I try to separate this from my memories of last season, including his role as manager in our success..

Has, he been sacked yet??

 

[Davepalace707]

I didn't say it was a given we'd beat Wolves but I think its pessimistic to the point of being a fool to claim we wont win a game with Glasner in charge. We just beat Brighton in a game we deserved to win where Brighton did not play badly at all. If he can win that game why can we not beat Wolves?
We had a momentary collapse against Burnley last night. That can (and has) happened to every club in the history of football. Thats not so much the concern as our second half performance where we had few ideas on how to get back on level terms. It was a bad night, no argument there. Saying we wont win another game is hysterical whining.

Read the post properly if you’re going to slag me off. I said we wouldn’t win another home game. We haven’t won a PL game at home since 1st November.

 

[eaglesdare]

Are we waiting to loose against wolves to sack him?

 

[ASCPFC]

Are we waiting to loose against wolves to sack him?

I know, it's just getting silly.

 

[Eagle-Trucker]

I know, it's just getting silly.

I think the sunshine coming from his Austrian arse is blinding a few people . 😉

 

[SurbsEagle]

Everyone is saying this but I don't buy that. Even the worst managers get new jobs once sacked. OG has won two trophies for Crystal Palace. He will have a list of clubs queuing around the corner for him. His message is simply 'look if you back me I am proven at being successful'.
For me he is past his sell by date and we should be concerned. We are limping to safety and he has caused total disharmony in the camp. He's only here to try and win the Conference League nothing else. Its a game of chicken between him and Parish because we can all see he's lost it. Last night was absolute proof. His tactics all wrong, bad management with the subs, and as others have said, no players are playing well.
Throw in the dreadful form since early December it's no wonder we are all at work this week with negative feelings on the current situation.

I think managers who are happy to just do the club merry go round - i.e Dyche, Moyes, Nuno etc. - your theory applies. However, Glasner wants the United or Munich job. He is getting less likely to get these jobs as each game passes.

I would also highlight that we've already had a spell like this at the start of last season where we didn't win in the first 7 games. Glasner seems to be a streak-led manager but when you throw his comments in from January, it looks like the entire club is falling apart.
Taking a step back from Glasner, we could realistically end this season with a European trophy - let alone a European tour, which so far has been incredible to be a part of. Enjoy this season for what it is, it might not happen again for a while. It would be a shame for Palace fans to let that pass us by because we spent the season complaining about Glasner, Guehi and Eze being sold and Parish not re-investing in the squad correctly. Address all those issues at the end of the season, if they actually have an impact on our season.

 

[Adrift]

Part of Glasner's issue is a failure to change the system. It was also irresponsible for them not to have replaced Guehi with another CB.
The result being that Richards has been moved to the left to accommodate Lerma on the right.
Richards on the left has never worked and Lerma just isn't up to it as a CB.
If Chadi Riad isn't good enough to start then he should go to a back 4.