Next Manager?

I see the biggest mover in the market over the last 24 hours is Rob Edwards, who is someone I would welcome with open arms in our hot seat.

1: Took a micro club from League 1 to the Premier League, and almost kept them up on a shoestring budget. Luton were also on the end of at least three horrific VAR decisions costing them 6 crucial points, which ironically was the amount of points they needed to stay up. Earned huge amount of respect from Klopp and Arteta along the way for not changing their entertaining possession based style that got them promoted, and not parking the bus as many promoted sides do.

2: Appointed as Boro boss in the summer and became the first boss in a decade to get them firing and left them in second place in the championship to join Wolves.

3: Although it seemed a strange decision at the time, leaving a club destined for promotion to the Premier League for a club nailed on for relegation and labelled as the worst team to grace the Premier League, unbelievably he now has them on a 6 match unbeaten run in all competitions, which seemed impossible for a club who lost 12 of their opening 14 Premier League games. Before that they conceded a 97th min own goal to go down 2-1 at the Emirates, even having a goal harshly ruled out for offside.

4: Ex Palace, with family in the area as he met his wife whilst playing for us.

5: A manager who wears his heart on his sleeve and likes to build a solid rapport with the fans by making sure they are constantly heard by the owners.

6: Hugely invested in youth football and giving his youngsters a chance. For example, in less than two months, he has taken a couple of unknown 17/18 year olds from the Wolves set up to both of them starting the last few Premier League games, coinciding with this unbeaten run they are on. I have to admit that one of them, Matteas Mane looks like the real deal

So basically you want relegation battles and safe and easy football (ala Roy) over progression. I guess even some Palace fans can be lured back by the promise of never breaking through that glass ceiling and giving up on moving up to the next level the cheap thrill of battling to stay up.
 
So basically you want relegation battles and safe and easy football (ala Roy) over progression. I guess even some Palace fans can be lured back by the promise of never breaking through that glass ceiling and giving up on moving up to the next level the cheap thrill of battling to stay up.
“The Next Level”!

Two Questions:
  • What constitutes the next level for a club like us?
  • What resources are required to get there? and to cement your place there before trying to move to the level above that?
I think of Leicester – the most successful of the recent outlier clubs:

Won the PL at odds of 5000-1 in 2015/16
  • Last English club standing in the Champions League the following season exiting in the QFs
  • Two 5th place finishes under Brendan Rodgers (when they should have finished 4th and got back into the Champions League)
  • An FA Cup win
  • And now back down in the Championship.
Yes, a wonderful period of half a dozen years or so for the Foxes fans, but ultimately, they didn’t have enough revenue to maintain it.

We certainly don’t have the revenues or resources to get to the next level at present, First stop has to be getting the new stand built. Even then, we’ll only have moved up from 17th to 13th in the PL ground capacity stakes just ahead of that South Coast mob and behind Leeds.

According to the latest Deloitte’s PL revenue chart the top 7 clubs earned between two and three and a half times the amount we did in the last financial year. We can’t compete with those clubs on a consistent basis.

Focussing on ensuring we remain a mid-table PL club has to be our current aim, whilst we tyr and grow our revenue and work out how best to work smarter than other clubs.
 
“The Next Level”!

Two Questions:
  • What constitutes the next level for a club like us?
  • What resources are required to get there? and to cement your place there before trying to move to the level above that?
I think of Leicester – the most successful of the recent outlier clubs:

Won the PL at odds of 5000-1 in 2015/16
  • Last English club standing in the Champions League the following season exiting in the QFs
  • Two 5th place finishes under Brendan Rodgers (when they should have finished 4th and got back into the Champions League)
  • An FA Cup win
  • And now back down in the Championship.
Yes, a wonderful period of half a dozen years or so for the Foxes fans, but ultimately, they didn’t have enough revenue to maintain it.

We certainly don’t have the revenues or resources to get to the next level at present, First stop has to be getting the new stand built. Even then, we’ll only have moved up from 17th to 13th in the PL ground capacity stakes just ahead of that South Coast mob and behind Leeds.

According to the latest Deloitte’s PL revenue chart the top 7 clubs earned between two and three and a half times the amount we did in the last financial year. We can’t compete with those clubs on a consistent basis.

Focussing on ensuring we remain a mid-table PL club has to be our current aim, whilst we tyr and grow our revenue and work out how best to work smarter than other clubs.

I don’t care. Anyone fan who wants safe and easy football and year after year of relegation battles is lying to themselves. The lure of the comfort zone (ala the Championship, managers with zero experience, journeymen players, half empty seats, cold nights in Stoke and another stint in admin) is delicious to some fans, but to others, it’s a return to being boring and having to wait another 8 or 10 years just to get back.

Rob Edwards represents a return to that comfort zone. Relegated with Luton (look at them now!) and now about to be relegated with Wolves. Not quite an exciting prospect, is he?
 
“The Next Level”!

Two Questions:
  • What constitutes the next level for a club like us?
  • What resources are required to get there? and to cement your place there before trying to move to the level above that?
I think of Leicester – the most successful of the recent outlier clubs:

Won the PL at odds of 5000-1 in 2015/16
  • Last English club standing in the Champions League the following season exiting in the QFs
  • Two 5th place finishes under Brendan Rodgers (when they should have finished 4th and got back into the Champions League)
  • An FA Cup win
  • And now back down in the Championship.
Yes, a wonderful period of half a dozen years or so for the Foxes fans, but ultimately, they didn’t have enough revenue to maintain it.

We certainly don’t have the revenues or resources to get to the next level at present, First stop has to be getting the new stand built. Even then, we’ll only have moved up from 17th to 13th in the PL ground capacity stakes just ahead of that South Coast mob and behind Leeds.

According to the latest Deloitte’s PL revenue chart the top 7 clubs earned between two and three and a half times the amount we did in the last financial year. We can’t compete with those clubs on a consistent basis.

Focussing on ensuring we remain a mid-table PL club has to be our current aim, whilst we tyr and grow our revenue and work out how best to work smarter than other clubs.
The new SCR rules coming in, which Palace and indeed Brighton voted against, will make that even harder.
 
I don’t care. Anyone fan who wants safe and easy football and year after year of relegation battles is lying to themselves. The lure of the comfort zone (ala the Championship, managers with zero experience, journeymen players, half empty seats, cold nights in Stoke and another stint in admin) is delicious to some fans, but to others, it’s a return to being boring and having to wait another 8 or 10 years just to get back.

Rob Edwards represents a return to that comfort zone. Relegated with Luton (look at them now!) and now about to be relegated with Wolves. Not quite an exciting prospect, is he?
I haven't said anything about Edwards or safety in the Championship. I don't particularly want either. I want us to stay in the PL because that is the only way we can have a chance of growing but that's not going to happen overnight.

I'm merely pointing out the realities of the way PL football is currently structured. Of course, I'd love us to be challenging for trophies all the time but that's not going to happen given the way the football bosses (UEFA and the PL) have written the spending rules. If you thought PSR was bad enough, wait until SCR comes in next season so as to align the PL with UEFA. We've had to abide by SCR this season because of being in Europe. It's even more restrictive for us smaller clubs than PSR. It's geared to ensure the bigger clubs stay big and get even bigger and that we smaller clubs learn our place and be thankful for the few crumbs they'll let us have.

Once Glasner goes, we rebuild and we start again and try and win another cup competition whilst cementing ourselves in mid-table with a view to moving up to be a top 10 club over time.
 
So basically you want relegation battles and safe and easy football (ala Roy) over progression. I guess even some Palace fans can be lured back by the promise of never breaking through that glass ceiling and giving up on moving up to the next level the cheap thrill of battling to stay up.
There is no next level for us, 13 years of finishing between 10th and 14th is hardly battling relegation, if our directors gave us 300m we couldn't spend it, sorry but that's how it is
 
In considering who the next manager should be Palace will (as ever) be subject to a familiar tension. On one hand, if we seek a manager who accepts, and is suited to working within, all the clubs limitations then we will probably end up with a lesser coach and more anti-football. If, on the other hand, we manage to attract someone with a more impressive pedigree then sooner or later they will bristle and chafe against those limitations, as and when they arise. Which they inevitably will.

Whoever turns up will absolutely not have as good a set of players as Glasner got. We have just had a purple patch where several promising but unproven (mostly younger) players all came to the boil at around the same time, and exceeded any reasonable hopes we might have had.

To be clear: the next manager will not be working with the next Bayern Munich and France No10, the next Arsenal No10, the England centre back and target for Liverpool, Man City etc... Whatever transfers we pursue, the dice just will not come up double-sixes everywhere like that again.

At the same time, there is still some quality there. Moreover, the investment in Nketiah and Johnson MUST be made to bear fruit. Much the same could be said of Pino. Perhaps Canvot, too. Whilst every signing is a risk and a certain number will always fail, we cannot sign players at their ages for that much money and not get the most out of them. That suggests we go for a coach who picks his system based on the players we have, not one who has a system we need to sign players for. Both Palace and Glasner got lucky that what we had fitted his methods (once Munoz arrived). Surely, question number one at the interview is 'How will you get the best out of what we have already?' not 'Who do you need us to sign?'.

In terms of the status of the manager we pursue, Parish has shown plenty of ambition before. Its easy to forget that he pushed the boat out to get De Boer (which was all very exciting at the time) specifically to play more positive football, and to have a high-calibre coach. He was prepared to pay big money for Nuno. He pays big money for Glasner, including getting him in earlier than planned. He obviously does not see Palace as limited to unfashionable old-school dinosaurs, he just reverts to them when needed. He has also never appointed from within before. All of this suggests that while we won't get anyone with serious top-level pedigree, we will perhaps be looking for someone who could get to that level.

Personality-wise, I see no reason why Parish should want to find a yes-man. A good coach will doubtless come with a bit of ego. Parish has handled most of our managers well, including Glasner recently, and will probably be willing to take some rough with the smooth if it allows him to squeeze the very most out of the appointment. At the same time, we cannot have a big baby throwing toys out of his pram from day one. Club unity is a big part of our success. The new man must respect that, and keep his concerns in-house.

That is possible. Look at the Bournemouth coach. He builds a really good side, does well, then sees the club sell his whole back four in one go. He must have been gutted, but he just got on with it. He gets the team going again, and the club sells his best attacker in January. Again, he just gets on with it. No public bleating. Emery at Villa has started to moan a bit recently but mostly he has just got on with it, even when he got Villa into the Champions League only to find they still had to sell players and not really strengthen. I'm sure he was fuming. I'm sure both managers are asking themselves if its time to move onwards and upwards, but they channel that into doing a great job. That's what we need.

Fans may choose to totally ignore reality, to blind themselves to any and all understanding of FFP, PSR, finance, the nature of football economics etc, and instead insist on 'ambition' and the next level etc. I find it hard to respect, but I suppose they have the right, its only football after all. The club, however, must live in the real world.

Palace will never be able to provide, and certainly not keep, a squad good enough to play in Europe regularly. We will probably be a short-term 'project' for someone, a shop window, a chance to do well enough to be on the big boys radars before moving on and up. That's what we are to players, and it allows us to get very good ones sometimes.

I imagine we will approach the managers position in the same way. They don't need to run the club, just pick the team and coach it. In that way, it doesn't matter so much if they only stay for two years or so.
 
I don’t care. Anyone fan who wants safe and easy football and year after year of relegation battles is lying to themselves. The lure of the comfort zone (ala the Championship, managers with zero experience, journeymen players, half empty seats, cold nights in Stoke and another stint in admin) is delicious to some fans, but to others, it’s a return to being boring and having to wait another 8 or 10 years just to get back.

Rob Edwards represents a return to that comfort zone. Relegated with Luton (look at them now!) and now about to be relegated with Wolves. Not quite an exciting prospect, is he?
Hi Oliver 😂
 
Recent reports have been that it is Iraola whom we are actively pursuing. I for one feel he is the best option. It does concern me with what promises are made to entice him. If he is wanting to leave Bournemouth, partially due to them being a selling club, what are we saying to him to persuade him we are not the same? I fear empty promises to him that will create animosity over time.
 
Recent reports have been that it is Iraola whom we are actively pursuing. I for one feel he is the best option. It does concern me with what promises are made to entice him. If he is wanting to leave Bournemouth, partially due to them being a selling club, what are we saying to him to persuade him we are not the same? I fear empty promises to him that will create animosity over time.
Not really a selling point but he might think we haven't got anyone who another club would want.
 
Next manager should be the Arsenal set piece coach.
Today they have scored their 25th set piece goal of the season.
Worked at Brentford with Keith Andrews....
Forget the tippy tappy stuff in midfield and just concentrate on blocking opposition goalkeepers and defenders when attacking corners.
 
Next manager should be the Arsenal set piece coach.
Today they have scored their 25th set piece goal of the season.
Worked at Brentford with Keith Andrews....
Forget the tippy tappy stuff in midfield and just concentrate on blocking opposition goalkeepers and defenders when attacking corners.
Nicolas Jover. Interesting. Never managed a team before, hard to predict how he might take to it. It is working out well with Andrews at Brentford so far, yeah.
 
Just watched the team preparing for the Forest game on the CPFC site.
I was surprised to see Paddy was very present in the video, is there a hidden message in there, re life after Glasner ?
or, they don't want to show Glazner with the hump or, he's involved with last minute transfers so not present?
Maybe Paddy is being lined up to be the next coach or, they're just showing Paddy to reassure the supporters?
 
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My mates an assistant manager, does all of the training drills.
Lots of managers stand watching the training and have little input.

Just watched the team preparing
for the Forest game on the CPFC site.
I was surprised to see Paddy was very present in the video, is there a hidden message in there, re life after Glasner ?
or, they don't want to show Glazner with the hump or, he's involved with last minute transfers so not present?
Maybe Paddy is being lined up to be the next coach or, they're just showing Paddy to reassure the supporters?
 

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