Reform

[Stirlingsays]

The flip side of this is that the EU operates a policy of one member rejects an application for asylum/entry and the ruling applies to all member state.

The applicant has a number of choices, one of which is head for a non EU member state and apply afresh. Many of those who ride the boats are just that.

Sure, but you omit the options available to the rejectee within the European system.

The EU's Asylum Procedures Directive (and related laws in the Common European Asylum System) requires access to appeals before national courts or tribunals, often with multiple levels (e.g., first-instance administrative appeal, then higher courts).

This has the potential for massive costs if you are rejecting large numbers.

Also, the rejected person can lodge an individual application with the ECtHR in Strasbourg if they claim the rejection/decision violates the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).

The current system is a money farm for human rights lawyers.

We left the EU on 31 Jan 2010. You only have to look at the graph showing boat crossings to see the correlation. Not something Farage says aloud.

He is also very quiet about the stats. Immigrants (not students or small boat people) minus emigrants is around zero. The numbers balance. Something of an inconvenient truth.

Surely you aren't suggesting that those choosing to leave the UK share the same non British ethnicity percent as those coming in?....legal or illegal.

Sure, I have far less issues with European immigration, but it's still not preferable to keeping the native British in their own lands.......Lots of people are looking at what the social liberals and left are doing to the country and leaving.

And if you are really complaining about the "quality" of immigrants and the harming of our ethnicity, religion, values and culture I am on your side. However, those who voted leave inadvertently elected to replace mobile, literate European migrants with immobile, often illiterate, non EU migrants. The definition of an unintended consequence.

That was how the dishonest establishment choose to interpret the Brexit vote.

Everyone and their cat knows that what people voted for wasn't what they received....it was a betrayal.

A lot of people....including me, have had their faith in democracy probably permanently broken.

And if you want the definition of irony, Leavers will readily blame "elites" "progressives" and "lefties" for the state we are in. No self inspection or peak at the mirror whatsoever.

Well, you are saying that people should expect bad faith......Well, they certainly do now and we see the Tories and Labour both suffering for it.

PS I am aware I am wasting my breath as most posters on here will read: "BLAH BLAH BLAH migrants are all lovely BLAH BLAH BLAH full open door policy BLAH BLAH BLAH I love Tony Blaire BLAH BLAH BLAH all Leavers are NAZIs" etc. However, it felt cathartic to write it.

Calling you a fan of Blair...or at least that more stable era (even though he started the destruction).....to what we have today may be a criticism from my perspective.....but that's because I'm incredibly based. 😀 I'm not quite the same conservative poster who started in 2009. My eyes have been opened to just how horrendous things are and how betrayed the English/British have been.

But be in now doubt, whether I agree with your opinion or not, I regard them as thoughtful and considered and I do read them.

I regard your opinions as welcome.

 

[dannyboy1978uk]

Bloody hell, I used to post here years ago and Stirling is still spouting the same nonsense.
Surely you must look at our country and think what a mess it is after we have had two liberal minded governments and woke has taken over.
I remember Stirling saying years ago he loved mass immigration and its benefits. What benefits the uk is finished !

 

[dannyboy1978uk]

Here is a feel good video for everyone.

 

[cryrst]

Bloody hell, I used to post here years ago and Stirling is still spouting the same nonsense.
Surely you must look at our country and think what a mess it is after we have had two liberal minded governments and woke has taken over.
I remember Stirling saying years ago he loved mass immigration and its benefits. What benefits the uk is finished !

Have you got the wrong poster 🤔

 

[silvertop]

Have you got the wrong poster 🤔

He must have.

 

[silvertop]

Here is a feel good video for everyone.

To what Golden Age does he refer?

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

To what Golden Age does he refer?

I haven't watched it, but I would imagine it would be a time when you stepped outside in London or Birmingham and didn't have to wonder if you had been transported to Asia.
Oh yeah, and when It was safe to walk the streets without real fear of being robbed, stabbed or raped.

And maybe when no one talked about race or Islam or being offended, and when every TV show and advert didn't have DEI tick box casting.

 

[DanH]

I haven't watched it, but I would imagine it would be a time when you stepped outside in London or Birmingham and didn't have to wonder if you had been transported to Asia.
Oh yeah, and when It was safe to walk the streets without real fear of being robbed, stabbed or raped.

And maybe when no one talked about race or Islam or being offended, and when every TV show and advert didn't have DEI tick box casting.

Murders at their lowest level since 1977, knife related murders down 23%, knife and gun crime both down 9%.

Homicides at lowest level in nearly 50 years, ONS statistics show

The 499 homicide cases in the year to September were the lowest in England and Wales since 1977.

www.bbc.co.uk

But not politically convenient to mention on here, is it, for you lot that actively want this country to be sh*t.

At least the rest of the post admits it’s just about race and forgets your pretence.

 

[cryrst]

Murders at their lowest level since 1977, knife related murders down 23%, knife and gun crime both down 9%.

Homicides at lowest level in nearly 50 years, ONS statistics show

The 499 homicide cases in the year to September were the lowest in England and Wales since 1977.

www.bbc.co.uk

But not politically convenient to mention on here, is it, for you lot that actively want this country to be sh*t.

At least the rest of the post admits it’s just about race and forgets your pretence.

It’s easy to count those and it’s good they are falling but What about rape, shoplifting, mugging, phone theft, fraud on the high street ad infinitum. How are the numbers on that stacking up

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Murders at their lowest level since 1977, knife related murders down 23%, knife and gun crime both down 9%.

Homicides at lowest level in nearly 50 years, ONS statistics show

The 499 homicide cases in the year to September were the lowest in England and Wales since 1977.

www.bbc.co.uk

But not politically convenient to mention on here, is it, for you lot that actively want this country to be sh*t.

At least the rest of the post admits it’s just about race and forgets your pretence.

I read this one just to remind myself how deluded you are.

It is remarkable that some violent crime has fallen since not a day goes by without someone being stabbed to death. It's almost like the figures are being massaged or something.

Does this country feel safer to you?

I haven't noticed any other 'race' being criticised for wanting to hang out with their own kind. In your mind, it's only White people who have that 'problem'.
It really makes me laugh when dopey leftists bleat about other people's rights to self determination, culture, and heritage and yet wet their knickers when a White British person aspires to preserve theirs. Oh, and in their own homelands. Don't forget that.

European numbers are reducing at a rapid rate and yet your kind expects us to be concerned about diversity. By any Darwinian measure, that is bonkers.

I loathe your self hating, warped, hypocritical mentality.

 

[HKOwen]

It’s easy to count those and it’s good they are falling but What about rape, shoplifting, mugging, phone theft, fraud on the high street ad infinitum. How are the numbers on that stacking up

This is the point. 499 murders still not great and there ois no way the current govt can take any plaudits for this, whatever led to this happened before the last election.

Murder may be down but other crimes out of control

 

[HKOwen]

I read this one just to remind myself how deluded you are.

It is remarkable that some violent crime has fallen since not a day goes by without someone being stabbed to death. It's almost like the figures are being massaged or something.

Does this country feel safer to you?

I haven't noticed any other 'race' being criticised for wanting to hang out with their own kind. In your mind, it's only White people who have that 'problem'.
It really makes me laugh when dopey leftists bleat about other people's rights to self determination, culture, and heritage and yet wet their knickers when a White British person aspires to preserve theirs. Oh, and in their own homelands. Don't forget that.

European numbers are reducing at a rapid rate and yet your kind expects us to be concerned about diversity. By any Darwinian measure, that is bonkers.

I loathe your self hating, warped, hypocritical mentality.

Thank you for not using the trigger word " idiot "

 

[DanH]

I read this one just to remind myself how deluded you are.

It is remarkable that some violent crime has fallen since not a day goes by without someone being stabbed to death. It's almost like the figures are being massaged or something.

Does this country feel safer to you?

I haven't noticed any other 'race' being criticised for wanting to hang out with their own kind. In your mind, it's only White people who have that 'problem'.
It really makes me laugh when dopey leftists bleat about other people's rights to self determination, culture, and heritage and yet wet their knickers when a White British person aspires to preserve theirs. Oh, and in their own homelands. Don't forget that.

European numbers are reducing at a rapid rate and yet your kind expects us to be concerned about diversity. By any Darwinian measure, that is bonkers.

I loathe your self hating, warped, hypocritical mentality.

‘Deluded’ for quoting statistics now. Impressive.

The only deluded ones are those who think there’s some great conspiracy against the straight white male because of their own pathetic insecurity.

You lot are so full of hate, fear and loathing against anyone who doesn’t look, think or act like you. It’s hilarious as it’s so all consuming that it just means you live such a miserable little existence being petrified of everything around you while the rest of us just get on with our lives.

 

[Racehorse-80s]

‘Deluded’ for quoting statistics now. Impressive.

The only deluded ones are those who think there’s some great conspiracy against the straight white male because of their own pathetic insecurity.

You lot are so full of hate, fear and loathing against anyone who doesn’t look, think or act like you. It’s hilarious as it’s so all consuming that it just means you live such a miserable little existence being petrified of everything around you while the rest of us just get on with our lives.

Your post comes across as full of anger and loathing to be fair .
Violence against the person is definitely on the increase , So much crime is not reported , Police are underfunded , under staffed and under pressure to improve the crime figures , Which I do believe leads to the crime figures being inaccurate and not a true reflection of the level of violence in our society .
There are Millions more people in the country compared to 10 yrs ago but Police numbers have been cut , That is never going to lead to a civilised or contented society .

 

[cryrst]

‘Deluded’ for quoting statistics now. Impressive.

The only deluded ones are those who think there’s some great conspiracy against the straight white male because of their own pathetic insecurity.

You lot are so full of hate, fear and loathing against anyone who doesn’t look, think or act like you. It’s hilarious as it’s so all consuming that it just means you live such a miserable little existence being petrified of everything around you while the rest of us just get on with our lives.

You don’t read the room danh
The fear isn’t for us adults on a football forum. It’s for our kids and grandkids and always has been. That includes your two as well. If getting on with our lives means not saying what we see and read and hear because it’s upsetting to some protected classes and their supporters then you are the deluded one.

 

[HKOwen]

You don’t read the room danh
The fear isn’t for us adults on a football forum. It’s for our kids and grandkids and always has been. That includes your two as well. If getting on with our lives means not saying what we see and read and hear because it’s upsetting to some protected classes and their supporters then you are the deluded one.

Dan is not interested in the room which is filled with inferior people he despises that don't think the same as him.

 

[DanH]

You don’t read the room danh
The fear isn’t for us adults on a football forum. It’s for our kids and grandkids and always has been. That includes your two as well. If getting on with our lives means not saying what we see and read and hear because it’s upsetting to some protected classes and their supporters then you are the deluded one.

Well if some on here had their way some of my son’s friends in his class would be forcibly deported along with their families. That will be fun to explain to him what is going on and why.

 

[HKOwen]

Well if some on here had their way some of my son’s friends in his class would be forcibly deported along with their families. That will be fun to explain to him what is going on and why.

Mind reading par excellence. If your son has friends in school who have a parent that is a criminal illegal immigrant then that's a shame and shows the school is not doing it's duty in checking the status of pupils.

 

[DanH]

Mind reading par excellence. If your son has friends in school who have a parent that is a criminal illegal immigrant then that's a shame and shows the school is not doing it's duty in checking the status of pupils.

You might have to double check with your compadres on here that it’s just illegal ones they want rid of, Owen.

 

[cryrst]

You might have to double check with your compadres on here that it’s just illegal ones they want rid of, Owen.

So we are all racists then!
Classy 🤦